>From the "commoner's" perspective, hg.openid.net and
bitbucket.org/openid is somewhat different. Whether "openid" is in the
"authority" segment or not makes the difference.

For tools, wiki is sub-optimal for issue tracking. For that matter, I
agree that bitbucket.org's issue tracking neither comes to my
expectation, but at least, I would not have to set a server up or create
new identity. I can reuse my openid.

Ideally, it should be something that allows us to:

- Use OpenID to login
- Track the changes.
- Issue should be assigned
- the expected end date
- person in charge
- status

This will greately simplify our lives. Wiki is not so good for these
when many issues starts to accumulate. FYI, I use redmine for my day job
projects and are fairly good, but it is not a hosted solution.

=nat

(2010/05/25 13:05), David Recordon wrote:
> Or continue using BitBucket without a custom domain. I'm all for
> tools, but mercurial.openid.net <http://mercurial.openid.net> versus
> bitbucket.com/openid <http://bitbucket.com/openid> doesn't feel like a
> large difference.
>
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Dick Hardt <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
>     While I am a fan of using tools to simplify our lives, I am
>     concerned that we have setup a number of tools that seemed like a
>     good idea and did not get utilized.
>     I am fearful that community members will spend time on a new tool,
>     only to be disappointed in lack of use.
>
>     How about we just use the wiki we have now to create a document we
>     can all edit?
>
>     -- Dick
>
>     On 2010-05-24, at 7:24 PM, Nat Sakimura wrote:
>
>     > There are various plans, but since OIDF is primarily operating
>     in public,
>     > I should think that "Amateur" plan would suffice. It is US$5/mo.
>     > The limitation is that it can only have one private repository,
>     > but that should be ok.
>     >
>     > =nat
>     >
>     > (2010/05/25 1:56), Brian Kissel wrote:
>     >> What is the cost? The Tech Committee has some budget.
>     >>
>     >> Cheers,
>     >>
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>     >>
>     >> -----Original Message-----
>     >> From: [email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>
>     >> [mailto:[email protected]
>     <mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Nat
>     Sakimura
>     >> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:05 AM
>     >> To: Johannes Ernst
>     >> Cc: OpenID Specs Mailing List
>     >> Subject: Re: [OIDFSC] OpenID v.Next Discovery Working Group
>     Proposal
>     >>
>     >> Good idea.
>     >>
>     >> I can setup a project under bitbucket.org/openid/
>     <http://bitbucket.org/openid/> (shall we upgrade to
>     >> non-free version
>     >> so that we get it under openid.net <http://openid.net>?) and it
>     has a rudimentary bug
>     >> tracking system.
>     >> It can be used by logging in by OpenID.
>     >>
>     >> =nat
>     >>
>     >> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Johannes Ernst
>     >> <jernst+openid.net <http://openid.net>@netmesh.us
>     <http://netmesh.us>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> Allen, combining what you just wrote with what Brian said on
>     the board
>     >>> mailing list about MRDs -- perhaps it would make sense to set
>     up a "bug
>     >>> tracking system" of some kind and use that to drive spec
>     evolution?
>     >>> On May 23, 2010, at 18:56, Allen Tom wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> Hi Johannes,
>     >>>
>     >>> There isn't a document summarizing the deficiencies with
>     OpenID 2.0
>     >>> discovery - I think it would be very useful for the WG and for the
>     >>>
>     >> Community
>     >>
>     >>> if we wrote this down
>     >>>
>     >>> Off the top of my head, some of the problems are:
>     >>>
>     >>> Yadis discovery is very vague as to exactly how the RP is
>     supposed to
>     >>>
>     >> fetch
>     >>
>     >>> the OP's discovery document. Should it send the magic Accept
>     header?
>     >>>
>     >> Look
>     >>
>     >>> for the X-XRDS-Location header in the response? Do HTML
>     discovery? In
>     >>> practice, many implementers have had problems implementing
>     discovery
>     >>>
>     >> because
>     >>
>     >>> there are too many ways to do it
>     >>> Speaking of Yadis, the specs need to be revised, and it's
>     unclear how to
>     >>>
>     >> go
>     >>
>     >>> about doing this
>     >>> Because a compromised discovery document can result in the
>     complete
>     >>> breakdown in OpenID security - it's important that we find ways to
>     >>>
>     >> increase
>     >>
>     >>> the security of discovery - perhaps it can be signed? Moved
>     into DNS?
>     >>> Discovery is hard to implement - the majority of the code in
>     OpenID
>     >>> libraries is to implement discovery. We can probably simplify
>     discovery
>     >>>
>     >> to
>     >>
>     >>> require less code to implement
>     >>> Delegation is a really useful feature in OpenID - it was pretty
>     >>> straightforward in OpenID 1.1, but is very confusing (to say
>     the least)
>     >>>
>     >> in
>     >>
>     >>> OpenID 2.0 - we can probably do something in discovery to make
>     >>>
>     >> delegation
>     >>
>     >>> work better
>     >>> The infamous NASCAR problem could possibly be helped by discovery
>     >>> The infamous phishing problem could also possibly be helped by
>     discovery
>     >>> LRDD, host-meta, and webfinger are pretty interesting - we
>     should see
>     >>>
>     >> how
>     >>
>     >>> OpenID can leverage these new specs
>     >>>
>     >>> I'm sure that there are more issues with OpenID 2.0 discovery.
>     Anyone
>     >>>
>     >> else
>     >>
>     >>> want to take a stab at it?
>     >>>
>     >>> Allen
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> On 5/21/10 7:55 PM, "Johannes Ernst"<jernst+openid.net
>     <http://openid.net>@netmesh.us <http://netmesh.us>>
>     >>>
>     >> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> On May 21, 2010, at 19:28, Allen Tom wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> ... there's universal consensus that the existing OpenID 2.0
>     discovery
>     >>> mechanism is very deficient ...
>     >>>
>     >>> Is there a summary somewhere of this "universal consensus" of
>     >>>
>     >> deficiencies?
>     >>
>     >>> Thanks,
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>> Johannes Ernst
>     >>> NetMesh Inc.
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
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>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     > --
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