On Sep 4, 2007, at 7:27 AM, John Seghers wrote:

Alexey Feldgendler wrote:

Except GPS, I guess. Because GPS is just a receiver, it cannot add any interference and hence doesn't need to be disabled. Actually, GPS could
provide some fun in a flight.

NO. Including GPS.  Every flight I've been on recently has state that
electronic devices which send *or* receive signals are not allowed (or those
capabilities switched off.)

its easier to turn them all off.

Part of the process of receiving signals involves heterodyning-- basically
mixing a received signal with lower intermediate frequencies (IFs) to
amplify the desired actual signal, while making the carrier signal something easier to work with. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterodyne for a very
basic description.

The IF can be higher or lower, depending on your design's needs.

The receiver section in your radio is likely superhet.

Any oscillator will radiate some electromagnetic interference.

Well, electromagnetic engergy, anyway... interference is an artifact of receiver deisgn.

Furthermore, because the intermediate frequencies are often similar (or in the case of GPS identical) to other such devices, those stages can interfere with each
other.

AM/FM radios are banned (by the FAA) because there are documented cases of harmful interference with flight control systems.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/ rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/b5c85ae8e38df676862571da00529da4/$FILE/AC% 2091.21-1B.pdf http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/cfr/ 1997/47cfr15.pdf
http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/gsm_intf1.pdf

This may be interesting: http://gpsinformation.net/airgps/g3noise.htm

For another example, in states where radar detectors are illegal, the police can use sensors tuned to the first stage IF (around 900MHz IIRC) of the
radar receiver to find cars that have them onboard.
(http://radar.757.org/VG2.htm)

Only if their "detector" is tuned to the IF of the intended target. Some radar detectors employ a shielded oscillator and other 'counter measures'.

As the onboard electronics in aircraft are upgraded to those designed in an
age of digital electronics, Bluetooth, GPS, cell phones, etc, these
restrictions will probably fall by the wayside.

Unlikely you're dealing with an industry that is afraid of falling out of the sky while on fire. Note that the (US) law is very broad: http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx? c=ecfr&sid=8e7fdab3dcebd30df90ea9cd49cf777b&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:2 .0.1.3.10.1.4.11&idno=14

essentially, "everything that is not allowed is prohibited".

However, today the regulatory agencies have to look at the least capable machinery flying out there when they make the rules. Most airlines also
tend to over-generalize things simply because it makes it easier to
communicate what is allowed and what isn't.

Of course.   They're worried about future equipment, too.

Jim


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