Yeah, I can understand it all from yours and Thomas' perspective. I suppose if I were in your shoes and it was all my own time and money on the line (which ultimately means your families' livelihood), I would most likely do something similar to get quick results. So, for that part, no worries. It's all good in the end.
While I try to keep up on all the news and such here, I still miss a few things here and there. However, I think that perhaps a few things may not have been discussed like the specifics of what things and when exactly they would be going offline for anonymous access. The problem with rsync, of course, is that I was using the --delete option which means everything was wiped out. However, I anticipate such problems in my coding so I had a rather simple recover and I just stopped the rsync mirror script for now. If/When you find time to get the rsync bit back up, I would be more than happy to help you test it. As far as the registry bits, I just built them on our build servers and registered them. They show up in my online registry page, so I'm promoting the package to our production binary repository which means this Friday night all of our openpkg servers will have it installed. I can then run a quick script to do the registration and you will have the stats from us. On Tue, 2005-11-29 at 23:58 +0100, Ralf S. Engelschall wrote: > On Tue, Nov 29, 2005, David M. Fetter wrote: > > > I may have missed something at some point, but if it's information of > > how many servers we have openpkg installed on, why can't we just fill > > out an online form? I would be more than happy to do that. > > Yes, David, I know that you and some others would be happy to do that > and you used the OpenPKG Community Feedback in the past for this. > Unfortunately after even 5 years we just received about 30 feedbacks in > total although we asked multiple times to give feedback and tell if one > is an OpenPKG user. Before and after every release we explicitly involve > our users and ask for their feedback. The results you know: mostly no > feedback. > > As I said and without kidding, even after five years we have not the > smallest clue how many users we have at all. It could be that we have > lots of users who care but just don't say anything at all because > OpenPKG "just works" for them (which would be cool, of course). > > But fully serious: it could be also that we have just 100 users and > our current efforts for establishing additional OpenPKG services are > just a major waste of time and money. Well, it would be even ok if our > community is very small -- as long as we know it _before_ we burn the > additional time and cash (please understand that at this point in time > I cannot give more details here in public about the current ongoing > service establishment projects, but at least OpenPKG Foundation members > know what I'm speaking about). > > > For that > > matter, the registry bit could be quite a bit less intrusive by just > > having it send the information you desire. My main point is, why not > > try to see how many of us setup the registry first, then if folks don't > > respond to that, pull the plug on rsync and other anonymous access? It > > would be better than pulling the plug and having mirrors that a bunch of > > us have get wiped out overnight. I, for one, can easily send you output > > from my automatic update process which would tell you the packages we > > have installed as well as the all of the options used on the number of > > servers that exist. I guess I didn't realize that all of this was going > > to be breaking in an overnight swoop and now it's caused a bunch of > > recovery work in our processes. > > Yes, I'm very sorry that we broke at least the RSYNC part. This was > certainly our fault because we entirely focused on FTP. There we even > made sure that the "openpkg build" tool still runs seamlessly despite > the required login. It was not our intention to easily break existing > things. We really tried to minimize the impact. > > As you know, the registration was even pre-announced inside the > OpenPKG Foundation about 2 weeks ago for testing purposes and just two > Foundation members responded at all (one of them were you AFAIK ;-). > Nobody else really cared very much. > > So we had to finally activate it for the public to really get the > feedback about it. Without the current complains we still wouldn't even > know the existing problems. I dislike myself the "Heave ho!" approach > we had to choose. But experience with the Community Feedback form and > the various questions on the mailing lists to give feedback definitely > showed that the majority of the users of Open Source software is NOT > willing to give feedback as long as there is no real requirement for it. > Just asking friendly we already tried multiple times and without real > results. By restricting the anonymous FTP server access we have chosen > a registration trigger which we thought is harmless but still effective > enough. > > Everyone, please do not hesitate to complain, too. We are really > thankful for really every type of feedback, independent whether positive > or negative. Finally pulling your important feedback is why we had to > apply the restrictions. > > But please also try to understand our situation. The future of OpenPKG > strongly depends on whether the OpenPKG project finally knows its > community or not. And the registration is important for this. Well, > and if the majority of our community really finally registers with us, > perhaps we could even lift some of the restrictions in the near future > again. > > I personally think that the free of charge one-time registration should > be no problem at all for any serious OpenPKG user. Also keep in mind > that we intentionally do not restrict the current OpenPKG-2.5-RELEASE > because everyone should be able to evaluate and easily start with > OpenPKG and just has to register if he wants security updates, older > RELEASEs or bleeding-edge OpenPKG-CURRENT. > > Ralf S. Engelschall > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.engelschall.com > > ______________________________________________________________________ > The OpenPKG Project www.openpkg.org > User Communication List openpkg-users@openpkg.org > -- David M. Fetter - UNIX Systems Administrator Portland State University "There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don't."
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