Ah! Thank you. I did read something on the subject, but then suffered a hard drive death and it wiped out any settings I had. :( Google comes up with way too much junk when you look for stuff as well as Mantis stuff and Jiras. I will check in to this. So, now I know it is possible. :D Now, it's just finding a way to do it. *shrugs and laughs* If it keeps a few kids out than that's fine. I'd rather have fun then to have to police my console for logins. :D
----- Original Message ----- From: "Teravus Ovares" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Banning "bad" viewers was Re: Can this be done? > The viewer information is sent when the viewer logs in. If you > check the viewer channel version string when the viewer logs in, you > can deny based on a string match. That's the easy (and least > effective way) to lock only specific viewers. > > I believe that diva and Melanie_T were the last to work on these > areas.. so they would probably be able to tell you where to check > 'best'. > > One thing to note, however, is.. > > The viewer logs into the 'user service' by sending an XMLRPC request > to the HTTP Service with the login_to_simulator method. It's at > this time that the 'viewer channel string' should be checked. > > Teravus > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:34 AM, Imago <[email protected]> wrote: >> Mostly I want this because of piece of mind, but also because I am >> considering compiling a viewer on Hippo code that will have a different >> channel code altogether that I will probably use for the sim. If I can >> lock >> off viewers that don't have my exact channel or code then I can be sure >> only >> official viewers can get in. Right now the sim is only for friends but if >> I >> open it up to more I wouldn't want idiots coming in and mucking about the >> place. Which is why I was asking. I know that some opensim *shaking head* >> I >> wish I could remember who and where banned certain viewers from logging >> in. >> I'm not sure how she/he did it, though, but it got me curious as to how >> it's >> done. That and I wouldn't really want someone using something like Cryo >> or >> even Meerkat, but as you said... They probably all have the same default >> code. But if I put in another code and compiled it off of hippo or >> Linden's >> viewer I could put in my own channel and have others not able to enter. I >> like security and peace of mind, but security in this day and age is a >> myth. >> (Like those stupid broadcasting things that were supposed to stop >> copybot.) >> >> But I was just curious if anyone had done it or heard of it. I want to >> say >> openlifegrid did it, but I can't remember so I don't want to say for sure >> until I find it again. (computer crashes suck.) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Palen" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Banning "bad" viewers was Re: Can this be >> done? >> >> >>> As I think of it the answer is the same. >>> >>> The Linden Labs viewer does send an identification and version number, >>> bat >>> that really does very little. Almost every viewer out there is based on >>> the current LL viewer and many people don't bother changing this code >>> for >>> their experimental versions. >>> >>> For example I just checked and I have a customised LL viewer where the >>> only change is that it will log on to my private sim by default. The ID >>> codes are identical to the original since I never bothered to change >>> them. >>> >>> I use it to make sure that my private sim will run OK with the >>> "official" >>> viewer. >>> >>> I am not really sure why you would want that restriction though. Should >>> I >>> be considering that for my sim? Have I missed something here? >>> >>> Sorry. >>> >>> Karen >>> >>> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Imago <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> From: Imago <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [Opensim-users] Banning "bad" viewers was Re: Can this be >>>> done? >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 10:05 PM >>>> I don't think anyone is >>>> understanding. :D It's not just Cryo. I want only >>>> Linden Lab viewers to be able to login. I've seen it done >>>> on other >>>> opensim's. I know people can get around that. But the point >>>> is... Not >>>> everyone is a coder. So, while they could compile and make >>>> it look like a >>>> Linden Lab viewer then so be it. I just want to know if >>>> there's a mod or >>>> string that I can put in to opensim to see what channel the >>>> viewer is >>>> sending, and if it's not the right one than to display an >>>> error message that >>>> would tell them to download an official release in order to >>>> login. >>>> >>>> Maybe I should have chosen my words better. Mentioning Cryo >>>> is like >>>> mentioning copybot, and responses only seem to be based on >>>> theft and copy >>>> protection. I just want to know if there's a string to >>>> block a viewer. I >>>> know people have done it I just can't remember what opensim >>>> I saw it done >>>> on. I also know that if I had Cryo source code I could >>>> compile and make it >>>> look like a Second Life release viewer. But not everyone is >>>> a hacker or a >>>> coder or both. Most people don't know how or can't compile >>>> a viewer or are >>>> too lazy to. So, they go look for one, and that's the basis >>>> for my thinking >>>> most theives are too lazy to try to figure out a way and >>>> will move on to the >>>> next target. >>>> >>>> >>>> So, the question I'm asking is: >>>> Is there a way for OpenSim to check a viewer string and >>>> allow or disallow >>>> based on that, and if so please let me know where that code >>>> is, and if >>>> not... Then I'll be burning the midnight oil again coding >>>> one up. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Karen Palen" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:44 PM >>>> Subject: [Opensim-users] Banning "bad" viewers was Re: Can >>>> this be done? >>>> >>>> >>>> > The short answer is no. >>>> > >>>> > The more complete answer is that you while can easily >>>> detect some >>>> > characteristic of a viewer (or other software) which >>>> identifies that >>>> > viewer and use that to ban it, nothing can stop the >>>> authors of that viewer >>>> > from changing whatever characteristic you use. >>>> > >>>> > Worse yet, whatever characteristic you select to >>>> identify the "bad" >>>> > software will inevitably turn up in some other >>>> (innocent) viewer sooner or >>>> > later and will cause them to be banned for no reason. >>>> > >>>> > The best you could hope to achieve is some sort of >>>> "arms race" between >>>> > "bad" viewer creators and sim operators. >>>> > >>>> > In addition any viewer could be adapted for piracy. >>>> The original >>>> > experiments that resulted in >>>> libsecondlife/openMetaverse were based on >>>> > analysing the data stream between the Second Life >>>> Servers and the viewer >>>> > software (at the time ONLY the Linden Labs viewer) and >>>> had access to all >>>> > of that information. This was all done without >>>> modifying the viewer in any >>>> > way - it was proprietary at the time. >>>> > >>>> > Sadly the lesson of the endless failures of DRM >>>> schemes elsewhere shows >>>> > that the real losers are the honest/innocent users who >>>> are unable to do >>>> > the things that they really should expect to do with >>>> the content that they >>>> > have purchased. >>>> > >>>> > For example, I have completely stopped buying anything >>>> in Second Life >>>> > since I want to use the inventory I buy in my private >>>> sims as well. Sure I >>>> > can use pirate tools to do this, but if I have to do >>>> that to use my >>>> > purchases where I want to use them then why not just >>>> steal the stuff in >>>> > the first place? >>>> > >>>> > This is very similar to the situation with music CDs >>>> and DVDs, why build >>>> > an expensive collection if you will just have to >>>> re-purchase it in a few >>>> > years for the next technology and some DRM scheme >>>> tries to keep me from >>>> > playing my collection on the new equipment? >>>> > >>>> > There are several efforts being directed at come sort >>>> of "portable" >>>> > content. I hope that one or more actually proves to >>>> work, but I have no >>>> > illusions about that actually happening any time >>>> soon. >>>> > >>>> > My opinion is that the best we can do at present is >>>> similar to the real >>>> > life piracy situation: stop the commercial marketing >>>> of pirated >>>> > merchandise as it is detected and reported. Ban anyone >>>> who engages in such >>>> > activities and if they persist bring real world law >>>> enforcement to bear. >>>> > >>>> > For once Linden Labs seems to be using a reasonable >>>> version of this when >>>> > they state that the viewer is not the problem, it is >>>> the use of the >>>> > viewer. They have promised to act promptly to ban >>>> anyone using any viewer >>>> > for piracy. >>>> > >>>> > Karen >>>> > >>>> > --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Imago <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> Is it possible to stop >>>> >> certain viewers from logging >>>> >> in to your opensim? 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