Is it possible to give people who hypergrid a notecard when they arrive ?
2011/9/14 Karen Palen <[email protected]> > I can only repeat what I learned in my "setting up a business" seminar a > few years ago: > > "Your goal should NEVER be to make your TOS/Rules/Agreement legally > bulletproof. If there is that much money involved that it is really > necessary then you need to spend the money for a lawyer! > > "What you should do is try very hard to make the rules/ToS/Agreement > state exactly what you mean and be extremely clea rin stating that. This > is the starting point if you hire a lawyer anyway. > > "If you do a good enough job then people will either comply, or go away > (be banned!). Even if it ends up in court the fact that it was clearly > written and easy to understand will be a major help in your case. > > "Lawsuits generally only result from two or more parties come up with > different interpretations about what was said or agreed. If it is > completely clear then there is simply no point in going to court!" > > Sadly that level of clarity is harder to do than it seems, and you might > want to hire a lawyer just to get the phrasing exactly right and > consider all of the possibilities. > > In any event plan on several drafts, and get a couple of people who see > the document for the first time to read it and tell you in their own > words what they think it says. You WILL be surprised the first few times > you do this - I KNOW!! :-) > > Oh yes if you are planning on something that large/critical, then ALSO > look into setting up a business entity (Corporation, LLC, or whatever) > to run it. > > See http://www.keytlaw.com/ for a summary of this aspect. > > "Information & Articles about Arizona and United States Law" > > Keyt is an Arizona/US lawyer, but the issues he raises are universal. I > highly recommend studying his website! > > As Keyt says in one of his articles, the day the process server knocks > on the door is one day too late! > > Karen > > On 09/13/2011 10:32 AM, Sarge Misfit wrote: > > Location, or jurisdiction actually, is definitely a big factor. From > > what I have seen is that it is the location of the grid's "official" > > headquarters that is the deciding factor. However, every ToS that I > > have seen also specifically states the jurisdiction, so it may be that > > I would have to include that as a requirement. I had planned to > > anyway, but its a good idea to raise that issue to, for the benefit of > > others. I don't think its about how strict a law is. Having worked as > > a researcher in a law office (quite some time ago), I can tell you > > that this is pretty new ground, so we may be developing precedent > > here. > > > > I just don't want to be the chum that gets tossed into the pool :-) > > But I also don't want to end up with some overly long legalistic ToS, > > either. I want to develop one that is in plain language and easy to > > understand. In fact, I am using SL's ToS as an example of what NOT to > > do *chuckles* > > > > On 9/13/11, Robert Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Sarge Misfit > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Doesn't HG already land a person at 128, 128, ground? > >>> > >>> The reason I'm asking about this is that I am planning on making my > >>> stand-alone public and having a good ToS in place is important. I > >>> don't want to end up setting up a visitor as violating anything. Other > >>> recent discussions have raised this issue, mostly about avatars, but > >>> also the very important issue of intellectual property protection. > >>> > >>> For example, the DMCA applies to US-based grids, but I'm Canadian, so > >>> my ToS should include something about Canadian IP protection law > >>> having jurisdiction. I think. > >>> > >> The real hook is that the law gets "messy" since there are possibly 3 > >> different countries involved and the overlap in laws may cause > >> conflicts. > >> 1 users physical location > >> 2 users POP /network "location" > >> 3 location for the grid server/ grid owner <---- this may actually be > >> a fourth location > >> > >> I would think that somebody needs to throw enough "chum" into a shark > >> pool to get this sorted out as a first pass effort. > >> > >> In this case i think that the stricter law applies (which would be the > >> US DMCA) for those using a Canadian Grid in the US. > >> -- > >> Robert L Martin > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensim-users mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensim-users mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >
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