Hi Chris, your grid and others like it are not where the concerns are. It is very cumbersome to qualify each and every statement to apply only to commercial/closed grids or commercial/copyrighted items when all readers are aware that that case is the one being discussed.
This tool poses no threat to open grids and CC licensed content. - Melanie On 19/11/2012 23:37, Fleep Tuque wrote: > I feel compelled to clarify that while some grids have a Terms of Service > that forbids transfer of content off grid by anyone but the creator, that > is certainly not the case for all grids. I do not think I am the only one, > in fact, I'd guess most small, personal use grids do not have a TOS, or, > even if they do, most HG connected grids I have visited have a freebie area > where they explicitly have items for visitors that are clearly intended to > be taken off grid. > > So making the statement "Transfer off the grid is not allowed" is simply > not true. Transfer off of SOME grids is not allowed. Some (my guess is > many) grids DO allow it. I think what is unusual about FleepGrid as a use > case is not that I allow transfer off grid, but that everything on my grid > is CC licensed. My guess is most typical small grids allow some but not > all items to be transfered off grid. But either way, it cannot be said > that transfering items off of grids is universally forbidden. Commercial > and closed grids forbid it. Many personal, open, or HG connected grids do > not. > > I think it's important to keep mentioning the different use cases of small, > personal, independent grids and not just have everyone keep assuming and > defaulting to the use cases of the large, commercial, or closed grids. > > Sincerely, > > - Chris/Fleep > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Melanie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On 19/11/2012 22:17, Snowcrash Short wrote: >> >> If the items belong to the user. Purchased items do not belong tot >> >> he user. They belong to the creator and continue to belong to the >> >> creator, being licensed only for use on the one grid where they were >> >> purchased (licensed). Allowing these items to travel is called >> >> "copyright infringement", or, more often, "theft." >> >> >> > Whether this is theft or not really depends on how you define the term >> > "distribution". Unfortunately I have not seen a single consistent >> > definition of this term used, neither in the practical world nor in the >> > legislation governing ip rights, especially in the context of the >> internet. >> > >> >> It's not about distribution. That is a whole other kettle of fish. >> >> > Whether copying an item I have licensed but not created from the personal >> > inventory of one of my accounts to another is distribution, or merely >> > moving from one personal storage location to another is very much at an >> > open question which I doubt has no clear answer in any country. >> >> Transfer from one account to another on the same grid is governed by >> the "no copy" permission. Transfer off the grid is not allowed. It >> really is that simple but I'm really getting the impression that you >> don't want to accept that. I understand you'd like reality to be >> different and you'd like users to actually own their inventory >> outright but that s simply not the case. Some TOS restrict items to >> one grid only and don't allow download of items you have not >> yourself created. If you download something you acquired from >> someone else in one of those grids, it is theft. No matter what the >> purpose of the download is. >> >> - Melanie >> _______________________________________________ >> Opensim-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Opensim-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users _______________________________________________ Opensim-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.berlios.de/mailman/listinfo/opensim-users
