Hmm, complicated scenario here, if comparing the social networks to the telco operators.. as they're quite different, in that the telecom industry started with monopolies (wordwide).. thus there was this major player (in this case, AT&T) controlling everything then, until legistrations broke them up, decades ago.. and wordwide, there were only a very limited number of record carriers handling the interconnects with half-circuits deals (and for outrageous tariffs).. well, anyway, too off topic.. let's skip that....
More pertient here with your analogy would be, 1) on Findability -- where're the White Pages and Yellow Pages equivalent, to serve for all our lovely social networks big and small.. and Directory Assistance equiv.., and who's to operate such, and 2) on Interconnect -- I believe that's going to be addressed and likely being addressed by the Server-to-Server reference implementations via the SDK and others.. and 3) on Portability -- I think this is exactly what this lovely OpenSocial is for, isn't it?.. almost like the telephone number portability amongst local telco/celco operators in the telecom industry (in many countries).. Am very eager to get onto the SDK.. actually, to see how it goes for a new soc net in China.. to enter public beta soon.. actually, tomorrow.. -- and well since I'm here and, shamelessly, to be 113.com -- tomorrow is 11/3, right? ;p just kidding.. (actually it means/rhymes with day-day-new and everybody-online in Chinese.. yes, as ambitious as opensocial itself.. ;-) [again just kidding].. ok ok, too much cultural/promo/sidetrack here.. later.. /ac. On 11/3/07, aiamark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Help me understand.... I see the need for openid or atleast for cross > over communication from network to network, just like AT&T can't only > route calls from AT&T calls. The need for all players to use each > others tech in order to truly be effective in communication is > necessary. I would not want to have to have a Sprint, Verizon, and > AT&T account to talk to my friends who have the various phone > providers. So, are we not talking about the same situation of not > wanting to have to sign up for facebook, myspace and others to connect > with our friends who might be using a network other than the one I am > using. Phones were a great invention, but the power was not leveraged > until everyone had one and did not have to go to the local operator to > make a phone call.... > > On Nov 2, 9:16 am, "Aaron Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hmm, very debatable.. I have been using social networks to locate old > > friends > > and have been pretty successful so far.. they're real persons and old > > friends > > (ie., people i know, actually for 30+ yrs), but then, lost contacts > (some > > for > > over 25 years, before even email was "became popular").. that said, > > regarding > > new friends, well, ask the linkedin.com guys.. and, people search would > be > > good size biz from within facebook (already?) and etc etc. (too many to > > name).. > > cheers, /ac. > > > > On 11/2/07, kiakanpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > aaron, i see social networks as a way to stay in contact with people > > > you know, not to find new friends. therefore findability is irrelevent > > > as you tell people your openid as you would an email > > > > > On Nov 2, 1:48 pm, "Aaron Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Not so sure if openid enables a person's findability well enough, > and > > > > if not, then the opensocial apis won't be living up to their > potential.. > > > ;-) > > > > /ac. > > > > > > On 11/2/07, kiakanpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > I think using the DNS in a mannor similar to openid (or just use > > > > > openid - why reinvent the wheel) would be fine. a person > 'controls' a > > > > > url either set up by themselves or from an existing social > network, > > > > > this will allow a friend with another url to find them. Data can > then > > > > > be exchanged using opensocial api, but, and this is the big bit, > there > > > > > friends can be added based on the openid url, i.e. the friend > could be > > > > > on any social network or not be on a network but have implimented > the > > > > > server side api themselves i.e. it would all be open > > > > > > > On Nov 2, 12:51 pm, "Aaron Cheung" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I think a lot could be inferred from the DNS system in > existence, > > > which > > > > > is > > > > > > reasonably proven, save a few weaknesses, but then nothing is > > > perfect.. > > > > > > > > That said, even DNS requires a bunch of Root Servers.. in which > > > case, > > > > > > is the DNS system DEcentralized enough, given decentralization > being > > > > > > of beneficial importance.. plus, also, there's this Registry > concept > > > as > > > > > > well.. > > > > > > > > Then, what about the P2P kind of decentralization.. and the > Skype > > > kind > > > > > of > > > > > > operational experience, for example, also nicely proven thus > far.. > > > > > > > > Or mightbe there're more pertinent protocols/rfcs someone's > working > > > > > on?.. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > /ac. > > > > > > > > On 11/2/07, kiakanpa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dont get me wrong, this looks good and i am thankful to google > for > > > > > > > this, but i am a developer. It unfortunatly does not solve the > > > real > > > > > > > problem of social networking. Until there is a common > > > DECENTRALIZED > > > > > > > social network this is all a bit pointless. I can develop an > app > > > that > > > > > > > can be ran on myspace and linkedin (for example), but until a > > > myspace > > > > > > > user can add a linkedin user as a friend we are still stuck > with > > > the > > > > > > > current 'silo' social networks. > > > > > > > > > Now, google how about extending the api to have openid & foaf > > > built > > > > > > > in? that way every user can be unique regardless of which > social > > > > > > > network they are on, and they can access the correct server > (via > > > > > > > openid) to add friends from anywhere. > > > > > > > > > I know it will involve work, and could be done independantly, > but > > > > > > > unless it is part of the official api it will be ignored. > > > > > > > > > heres hoping- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OpenSocial Developers" group. 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