It has already gone through /contrib and now management wants all the  
packages which we are going to use in our product to be /release level.

Bruce

On Aug 24, 2009, at 9:09 AM, Milan Jurik wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On 08/24/09 09:50, Garrett D'Amore wrote:
>> Joep Vesseur wrote:
>>> On 08/21/09 22:31, John Fischer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> This project proposes to integrate the Environment Modules within a
>>>> Minor release of Solaris (i.e., Open Solaris).  The environment  
>>>> modules
>>>> provides an easy modification to a user's environment via TCL  
>>>> scripts.
>>>> These scripts set various environmental variables such as PATH,  
>>>> MANPATH,
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure my remarks make any PSARC sense, but since there is no
>>> rationale mentioned for integrating this, I'm inclined to ask  
>>> anyway:
>>>
>>>  Does it really make sense to force people into being able to read/
>>>  write TCL in order for them to configure their shell? I imagine
>>>  that most of the modulefile(4)s would be written by administrators
>>>  (how many of them speak TCL?), but users will have to debug/ 
>>> override
>>>  any settings they want to tweak.
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering why we pick a TCL-based configuration tool for
>>> something like this. If the answer is Linux-compatibility, I think
>>> there is enough precedent, whether I like it or not. Otherwise, I'm
>>> not sure that we build a useful architecture here.
>>>
>>> Joep
>>>
>>
>> I'm fairly confident that *except* in so far as we are integrating  
>> something which some sites or projects might already be using (and  
>> hence are offering it as a compatibility/familiarity tool), this  
>> case would not otherwise be ready for PSARC to vote on... I think  
>> we'd want to have a lot more scrutiny over a change intended to  
>> fundamentally alter the way user environments are managed.
>>
>> So, as a Linux familiarity tool (and I have to take the word of  
>> others here that this tool really is used by enough folks to make  
>> our time spent on this case worthwhile), I'll give it a +1.
>>
>> However, I'd have much more grave reservations about making this  
>> case a precedent setting case for the fundamental way user  
>> environments are managed (or that we recommend they be managed.)
>>
>> I still remain, at a fundamental level, unhappy that we have no way  
>> of distinguishing to our users, or to our ISV partners, which  
>> technologies we believe are fundamentally architecturally correct  
>> and "first class", and those technologies which we integrated  
>> simply to make us conform more closely to Linux (and which we might  
>> elect to steer users and ISVs away from.)  But unfortunately at  
>> present we have no framework to provide this information to the  
>> people who need it most.
>>
>
> There are several levels:
>
> 1) release repository with several levels of support for different  
> software in repository
>
> 2) contrib repository
>
> I tried to find this software in Debian popularity contest, but I  
> cannot identify package name in Debian (too much generic name).
>
> Why cannot non-obvious "Linux fam" cases go through contrib  
> repository at first, to see how many users they have?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Milan

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