--- Eric Boutilier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Calum Benson wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 13:39 -0500, Eric Boutilier
> wrote:
> > > > ...
> > > > From what I'm hearing, it's more likely that
> vanilla community versions
> > > > of the JDS components (GNOME, Mozilla etc.)
> will be made available under
> > > > the OpenSolaris umbrella...
> > >
> > > Blastwave's GNOME implementation -- which in
> this context is vanilla
> > > GNOME -- is the leading (the only?) vanilla
> GNOME for Solaris.
> > >
> > > I just thought I'd insert this fact because it
> might make sense for the
> > > groups to join forces and leverage each other --
> especially in light of
> > > Blastwave's forthcoming new build system.
> >
> > Since it was me who wrote that original sentence,
> I should add that I'm
> > totally in favour of that... I was just trying to
> outline things in
> > general terms :)
> >
> > FWIW though, I'm not entirely convinced that you
> can really have an
> > 'implementation' of vanilla GNOME (or vanilla
> anything else); IMHO you
> > can only have the source code and/or a build...
> 
> Hmm, good point. I misunderstood some of the
> messages in this thread to
> mean that there are a lot of customizations in the
> JDS version of
> GNOME, but looking back I see that people were
> really saying that it's
> mostly just vanilla, plus bug fixes. So what I
> should have said is,
> Blastwave's GNOME build (set of custom patches) is
> the leading
> community-based build.
> 
> --Eric
> 
> > (It's also quite possible
> > to build community GNOME 2.10 from cvs on Solaris
> with jhbuild, for
> > example, and some folks here already have, but you
> couldn't really call
> > that an 'implementation'...)
> >
> > Cheeri,
> > Calum.
> >
> > --
> > CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer       Sun
> Microsystems Ireland
> > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]            Java
> Desktop System Group
> > http://ie.sun.com                      +353 1 819
> 9771
> >
> > Any opinions are personal and not necessarily
> those of Sun Microsystems

The nice thing is both the community and Sun is
building GNOME 2.10.x and providing a means to an end.
I actually started building GNOME 2.10.2/2.11.5 in
preparation of GNOME 2.12.0. in which I ran into the
Totem 1.1.3 package I mentioned earlier with the NVTV
Out feature. These packages seem a lot smoother in
their transition to Solaris whch wasn't the case of
certain source packages during GNOME 2.6->2.8.

Either way, the Solaris community has a large
collection of "free" desktops and some of the latest
versions. Most Linux distributions don't deliver that
nor the level of upkeep of packages - although
Gentoo/Ubuntu/Debian/Slackware and many other do an
excellent job and even bug tracking.

What really is nice is that we have Sunfreeware,
Blastwave, Sun engineers (like the JDS team) and many
others picking up speed in delivering open source
packages and providing the latest versions of Mozilla,
OpenOffice, Firefox, and KDE/GNOME.

It would be nice to see JDS done with GNOME 2.12.x or
at least backport some of the latest apps to a GNOME
2.10.x release. I'm amazing at how much talent is out
in the open source world willing to donate time and
energy to produce quality free desktops.

Ken Mays @ EarthLink, Inc.


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