--- "James C. McPherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> ken mays wrote:
> ...
> > I hope this GPL/CDDL thing doesn't kill off a nice
> > idea like OpenSolaris before it really gets out
> the
> > gate. I hope we can end this "I hate Linux"
> mindset
> > since Linux help launch the open source movement
> and
> > got GNU tools/source code to many people. Now that
> we
> > have more commercial-grade UNIX kernels an
> > enterprise-class OS we can take what we learn from
> > Linux software development and improve them on
> > OpenSolaris.
> 
> Sorry, Ken, but Linux did not help launch the open
> source
> movement. The Open Source movement was around long
> before
> linux (the kernel) and Linux ($distro-du-jour) came
> on the
> scene.
> 
> In my mind - and from my experience - what linux did
> was
> build on the work of the Jollitzs to demonstrate
> that an
> unencumbered kernel for cheap hardware was entirely
> possible.
> That made it popular, and popularity helps get
> people to
> think - especially about what else is needed to get
> make an
> operating environment (more than just an OS) off the
> ground.
> The GNU software stack was an essential part of the
> process.
> 
> The first unix-like kernel that I ran on my first PC
> was linux
> v1.0.47 or something. I was ecstatic that I could
> have the
> unix tools to write my uni assignments with and not
> have to
> pay (big) dollars for. I would not trade those
> experiences for
> anything, because they started me on the road to
> where I am
> today.
> 
> I also think you are wrong to say that there is an
> "I hate Linux"
> mindset - at least at Sun. 
> 
> 
> For me, (Open)Solaris is the right choice -- because
> I support it,
> I sustain it, I develop within its kernel. Until
> about 18 months
> ago I had a sparc5 under my desk at home running
> debian -- it was
> the right choice for the task I needed the hardware
> to do. But on
> the desktop linux isn't right for me. That should
> not matter to
> you one iota.
> 
> 
> best regards,
> James C. McPherson
> --
> Pacrim PTS Engineer            828 Pacific Highway
>                                 Gordon NSW
> Sun Microsystems Australia     2072
> 
> 

True, that GNU came before Linux. Cart before the
horse. My point was that Linux help bring GNU/open
source to the masses. There was a lot of software
(public domain and otherwise) before the Linux kernel
was even at 0.001. Even Commodore and Atari computers
had public domain software (some of which was at the
level of the software available today - just for that
timeframe).

I hope I never said 'Sun hates Linux' in any topic in
the past. For the record, I didn't. I said there is a
'I hate Linux' mentality - not pointed to anyone
specific.

Well, let us get back to the main topic(s)...

~Ken M.




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