On Sep 7, 2005, at 17:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The only thing that a choice-of-venue of this kind allows is to facilitate the
licensor to sue random people all over.

No; choice venue means that the licensor can only be sued on his
terms on his home turf.  That is because person *suing* has choice
of venue.

So if the licensor wants to sue, he can pick the venue anyway.
If he is *sued*, OTOH, he wants to be able to pick the venue to
better defend himself.

I think that we don't get where you get the idea that the
defendant can pick the venue.

The first step in a lawsuit is the party *suing* finding a court
and filing the suit there.

Quite. I really don't think we're debating the real issue here.

This is not the issue I understood Debian to have with CDDL. I understood the concern some individuals expressed to be about the fact that the choice of law and venue was parameterised, allowing a user of CDDL to select law and venue on a use-by-use basis in a way that might change the meaning of some terms of the CDDL or work in a way that rendered the license non-Free.

I would really prefer to see us discuss based on the actual concern, as raised by the original individual, rather than continuing as we are. I understand the discussion to have been held in debian-legal; perhaps Sven could persuade the instigator to visit gnu-sol-discuss and explain the issue properly?

S.

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