[...] > Again some of those folks are complaining about much > of the same things that I did. > (see elsewhere on the forum). I think there wasn't a > need for the source to be made open if the idea was > just people developing apps and creating distros on > top of what Sun provides. That you believe no one > else can contribute in a significant way to > OpenSolaris kernel then I have to tell you that you > are wrong. There are plenty of talented developers > outside of Sun. Significant innovations happened > outside of Sun and will continue to happen. And > Solaris as a mainstream operating platform is nowhere > near done - lot still needs to be done and I don't > see that happening without active community > involvement.
Where exactly has anyone ever said that significant kernel work can only happen within Sun? I think the most that's been said is that in any community, those who do such work are a small minority. In fact, people were writing device drivers for Solaris long before OpenSolaris. Even a few filesystems, although the interface was never really standardized or public. And whether or not they were with the author's consent adopted by Sun (which I think had happened sometimes), they still had some influence (like just pointing out that it wasn't that big a deal to get it done). There's really _nothing_ to prevent you from grabbing your own copy of the source, and making huge giant massive pervasive changes to the whole darn thing if you like. There's nothing to prevent you from forming your own community around it elsewhere. Just don't expect all those who have come to value stability and reliability over the whatever benefits the Linux model of development offers to beat a path to your door. > > If you want it to go faster, then participate. > > Stephen Lau posted a > > ood way to help a couple of days ago. Put your > money > > where your mouth > > is. Sorry to be blunt, but really...... > > > Sorry but I already pointed out a key thing before - > people are not going to participate unless you give > them a right platform, unless they feel owning and > driving the changes. People are not going to work for > Sun (disguised as community) according to Sun's > rules, for Sun's purpose. > > So please open up everything and make it GPLv3 (I > believe GPL2/3 will continue to be the most favorite > licenses in open source community for variety of > reasons) and you will have people taking the source > and putting it out in open and doing their things. > That will bring in innovation, progress and > significant changes. Most Sun people think Sun's is > the only one, true way - that is wrong. That's where > the conflict really is. That's where the community > dissatisfaction really is. Your last two paragraphs don't follow; GPLvX != owning and driving changes, which you could do now if you wanted to, at least with your own tree. > Sun can choose what, if anything, to take back > whatever they like from the community. Sun can > continue to enforce their processes, directions, > quality etc. internally on their own tree. That way > Sun won't have to be burdened with doing everything. > (Sun has proved that it cannot make changes fast > enough while not hurting their business interests). > People can step up at a far higher level and do > amazing things efficiently if they feel like they are > owning and driving it. Again, CDDL vs GPL has nothing to do with that, except in the minds of those who love to believe in a One True Way and think that GPL is somehow more nearly that One True Way than anything else. You argue for the benefits of lots of people doing their own thing, yet you want one community to conform to another. That sounds like a contradiction to me. > Don't stop just with _you_ can do it - Think why > people are not doing it. Think what could be done in > order to get people to do it. Otherwise it just > becomes very narrow and very limited and isn't much > of an achievement at all. > > But I take it that Sun isn't interested in this kind > of thing at all apart from using community as a > vehicle to get to Sun's goals. That ain't gonna work. I think there's plenty for them to work harder at: opening more code, or at least assisting in it (since some of it they _cannot_ open without expensive purchases of rights or expensive rewrites), getting an SCM that encourages participation out there, streamlining, and so on. And I've said that more than once before. As far as I know, those things are happening, they just aren't _done_ yet. But I think that both license and touchy-feely visions of community are largely irrelevant to getting those things done. This message posted from opensolaris.org _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
