On 2/4/07, S Destika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I don't see why this causes an immediate conflict of > interest and > as such it is a strictly hypothetical problem. You would have to be completely ignorant to say this is a hypothetical problem. So let me ask you one thing - Do you guarantee there will be *no* conflicts between what Sun wants to do and what Community would like to do? If so, on what basis? If so, how is it then different from Sun getting bunch of free contributors to do work for Sun's cause? On what basis are you saying Sun will compromise business interests to entertain community interests?
even if we had a separate entity to control the opensolaris sources, sun would still be paying most of the developers, and paying customers needs would still dictate what gets higher proprity. red hat's engineers do the same your proposed solution does not solve any problem and adds more red tape face it engineers working for opensource projects need money to live just like you, and the companies that pay them get that money from paying customers. the times where opensouce projects were run by hippies in a basement in their free time are long gone
If there are conflicts, are you going to exclude people who have conflicting but valid interests? > > You've pointed us twice to an article about the > definition of > conflict of interest. I don't get it. If you don't get this simple a concept - I am not sure what to say. Isn't Sun a for-profit organization with customers and with real business interests? Isn't the community separate from Sun and their customers? Or was OpenSolaris created to just server Sun and it's customer's interests? If that isn't so, even a very ignorant person will agree that where there are two entities with probability of different interests and goals there is got to be a conflict. And we need to ensure that there is an independent body which can do a fair job of dealing with those conflicting interests in a way no one feels sabotaged. Conflicts are just a reality when you want to achieve something with the aid of people whom you don't pay. If you deny reality nothing good is going to come out of it.
the ogb, a group of people elected by the community will be that entity. sun's employees are just part of the community just as redhat's are part of linux'
> What conflict of interest is there when Sun runs > Opensolaris? > See above. Particulars of conflict are not important here - having something fair and independent in place to resolve them is. Who guarantees that Sun tomorrow will not be bought/run by some evil company that will not sabotage community interests? Heck, even, who guarantees Sun will be fair to all given their strong business interests? How? > We don't live with a useless bug database; but > OpenSolaris does; it is > quite difficult to export a bug database in a > meaningful way as in some > cases there is information public to customers. > There you go - a perfect example of conflict of interest - Community has a simple interest - get a meaningful and useful bug database. Sun's has a conflict - they cannot make information public. Sun wins, community loses. Separate those two entities and community can have their own bug database and Sun can choose to expose whatever information to their bug database. Win-Win.
even if we had that, the database with the old bugs would still need to be migrated to the new and unencumbred one, where is the win-win again? nacho _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
