On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 23:08 -0700, Sivasubramanian Muthusamy wrote: > My post was in a certain manner of expression. On rapid reading, > ux-admin and other readers thought that i did not understand the > basics of how elaborate the O/S is or that I did not understand the > purpose for built in measures such as the time taken to shut down the > system. > > The post was on the task of taking Solaris to the home segment as more > elaborately addressed in > http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=36522&tstart=0 > > What I wrote here was written wearing a non-technical user's shoes, so > my post was to present, DELIBERATELY, uneducated questions to the > experts in the forum. > > ux-admin wrote about the user also having to be the root in a single > board computer, I am planning to sell Solaris to a user who would > blink if the terminal screen pops up. No, he does not want to be the > root, and he becomes the root, he would do something like run an fsck > and say yes when he has to say, and say no when he has to say yes and > end up wiping out the hard disk for a trivial problem. I don't want > the standalone user to get anywhere near the terminal, but he needs to > have access to the functionality of all ( and only those ) > applications that he needs. > > You went on to say that UNIX is a multi user system etc.. Yes I know > how elaborate Solaris is, I know that each function and limitation has > a purpose and that Solaris is amazing in the context of a multiuser > system. I wouldn't make a multiuser system any easier, nor would I > relax the controls in any manner, in fact I would still harden Solaris > in a multi user, mission critical setting. > > Again the post is that of a non-technical, completely non-technical, > user thinking aloud.
And if he or she is a 'completely non-technical person' he or she wouldn't even be talking about what operating system is being used. He or she wouldn't even be contemplating purchasing a Solaris machine. > > If you wish to use Solaris effectively, you will have to do some > reading. > > No, the user that I have in mind doesn't care to read. And if that is the case, that said user wouldn't even be considering moving from Windows. They would be ignorantly content with what they have. > >Do you even care to understand? > > No, the user doesn't care to understand. He wants it to be easy, he > wants it to work. He is that uncooperative, and he is that irrational, > and he is the Boss. So why even try to sell to a customer who will cost more than the money he will actually bring in, in regards to profits? > >For a thing so powerful, complexity is inherent; and while some > things can be simplified, some level of understanding will be > required. > > Waynel, I have answered you as well. Thank you for the commands to > shut down immediately. I will go ahead and make a little button and > put in the launch menu, or modify the log in button in the user's > interface to say include shut down. I knew that such possibilities > exist within Solaris, the post is about bringing such ease to the > fore, in order to come up with a single user's computer for someone > "who doesn't care to understand, who wouldn't read" > > Ian, I am more talking about Solaris 10, Version 11/06, but I have > also been exposed to more advanced developer versions. The shut down > feature is not the only difficulty that I am talking about. I am > talking about identifying such "irritants" for the common man, who is > the Master by virtue of the fact that he has bought a $500 machine > with Solaris. Why would you be even selling a desktop aimed at a user with Solaris 10 11/06? why don't you want till Indiana, which is actually geared to that market along with support infrastructure by way of telephone and software updates. > Che, the reference to the user phoning up the admin to shut down the > system, is just an expression, a manner of expressing how > non-technical he could be. In a single user environment, there is no > system administrator, so the question of the system admin being > comptent or incompetent does not arise. It should be decided at the > installation level, before the computer reaches his home. > > That is where the challenge is. If GM wanted you to master the complex > aspects of the valve dynamics and transmission mechanism before it > qualified you to buy a car, how many cars would it have sold so far ? No, but before you drive a car you read, take pratical driving leasons then you sit a test to get your licence. You just don't simply go out, purchase a car and drive. > And to Open Solaris: Complexity is your business, none of my business. > I, as a user, don't care. I don't want to read. Now, give me a solaris > computer, easy. Why should I gove you a solaris computer that is easy; if you choose not to read then you, by your lack of action are saying that you're content with ignorance and content with Windows (or what ever you're running). Matthew _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
