On 11/1/07, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John Sonnenschein wrote: > > I'm relatively sure I did name him, it's Murdock that betrayed the > > community with that announcement the other day so I'm going to place > > the blame at his feet. > > > Your comments were unprofessional. It's ashame we are using this type of > rhetoric to undermine each other. I don't agree with how the Indiana > team has communicated any of this,
While I agree with your pronouncement, most of us volunteers get emotional from time to time, and will apologize if we get out of line. (When I say volunteers, that includes Sun volunteers). The man is stating his feelings. He did not insult Ian as far as I can see, nor did he grossly mis-characterize the situation. (He probably should tone down his rhetoric if he wants to be taken seriously though.) Jim, you have to admit from a non-Sun point of view, it does seem that Ian did talk about doing everything via community process, and then at the last minute made a pronouncement, presumably by pulling rank within Sun, vs getting greater community buy in. That is the perception, for better or worse. > but the bottom line is that the OGB > has been silent and the Members have been silent, too. I certainly haven't been silent. When it became clear that this was going to be dictated to the community, I and a number of others raised our concerns. (I even raised my concerns about other distros, at the summit, during the naming session). I also raised my concerns the other day, when it was let slip that the plan was to call Indiana OpenSolaris from the first developer preview, without community buyin. At that time it was stated by Sun's community representative for trademarks and branding (SaraD) that this would be resolved through community process. Thus the Trademark and Branding project/discussion began, and was continuing to make progress until yesterday, when the "OpenSolaris label" was unilaterally slapped onto Indiana. As for the OGB, they haven't been silent, I see that they have been raising concerns at every turn down the road. (I for one didn't realize who was/wasn't OGB members, as they didn't speak with one voice). As I understand, it was only recently that they were able to establish any contact with upper level Sun management. (If I understand this happened only in the past month or so). Cheers, Brian P.S. - Funny thing is, this is the most united I have seen the community in the 8 months I've been involved. ;) Pretty much the only people who don't have an issue with the branding process are Sun marketing and a few people defending them. P.S.S. - It also seems that the OGB is getting ready to finally take a stand on behalf of the greater community. :) > Jim > -- > http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris > _______________________________________________ > opensolaris-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > -- - Brian Gupta http://opensolaris.org/os/project/nycosug/ _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
