On 6-Nov-07, at 7:24 AM, Shawn Walker wrote: > On 06/11/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> It has been well over a year that we have been a self-governing >>> body. >>> The fact that the mechanisms we have are not used and that so little >>> progress in certain areas has been made implies to me that they do >>> not >>> work. >> >> What specific areas are you thinking of? How is progress hampered >> and how could a more active governing body have helped? > > The constitution states communities are responsible for "product > development and marketing tasks." So far, I do not believe there has > been sufficient progress in those areas. If product development here > means "technical aspects"; then certainly there has been progress. > However, if "product development" means having an end-result of the > collective efforts of our community, then Project Indiana is the only > project *on* OpenSolaris.org that represents that at this time. The > fact that no initiative existed on OpenSolaris.org before this bears > further investigation as to why.
Shawn. You're unfairly dismissing a lot of peoples' hard work here. You are saying that only indiana managed to collect all the projects and ship something, ignoring that our model so far seems to be "bringover the tree, work on your stuff, then putback". Take for example the xVM project's work, which integrated to ON and therefore nevada quite aside from anything the indiana project is/was doing. dwarf caiman was first seen in nevada, not indiana. > > > Specifically, I think the following are what concerns me: > > 1) No end-product until recently (which when finally delivered was > unfairly vilified over its name) commented earlier > > 2) The lack of any community distributions having a presence on > OpenSolaris.org other than Project Indiana (which some see as a Sun > distribution) +1 to this. BeleniX, marTux and Nexenta need more airtime if the website's going to promote indiana at all > 3) The insufficient delegation or definition of "product development > and marketing tasks" as someone mentioned earlier, we don't have an army of developers itching to find a project to work on, we have a small handful of developers interested in specific tasks ( I'm interested primarily in emancipation and porting. if the OGB told me "go work on GNOME" i'd laugh at them first and ignore them after i'm done with that ) > 4) The inability for the community to drive the content of this > website directly suggestions for improvement? > 5) The lack of a defined contribution process for each project is this not the project leaders' responsibility ? > 6) The lack of a better definition of what decisions the community > should vote on and when > > 7) The confusion over who has authority over what aspects / areas of > the community > >> Two things are needed for progress: doing stuff and deciding what >> needs to >> be done. >> >> I think we do not, at this point, have an abundant pool of labor that >> can be set to certain tasks, so I don't see how being more decisive >> is >> going to be of any help. > > Being decisive helps since I think we would have more contributors if > what needed to be done was clearly defined. Not only that, how to > contribute that work also needs clear definition. Comments earlier >> You can be a dictator but you need an army to control before you can >> make things happen. >> >> Or is it not clear enough what needs to happen? > > Yes. > >> A clear lists of tasks, perhaps? > > Yes, the "delegation of product development and marketing tasks"; I do > not feel that it has been sufficiently addressed. Comments earlier _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
