On Nov 30, 2007 9:04 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shawn Walker wrote: > > On Nov 30, 2007 3:02 AM, Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Chris Mahan wrote: > >> > >>> I look forward to the discussion this is going to generate, namely: can > >>> Sun > >>> do the same to OpenSolaris, and if not, why not, what's preventing them. > >>> I'm > >>> looking for sound legal reasons, not Sun's goodwill. > >> > >> I know nothing about OpenDS, and I bet very few here are involved > >> either. This is an OpenSolaris forum. Sun has already demonstrated its > >> "good will" by opening /this/ project and enabling /these/ engineers to > >> interact with /this/ community. We will be judged by what /we/ do with > >> that freedom, not Sun. Why can't we stick to OpenSolaris community and > >> development issues rather than getting sucked into corporate politics? > > > > Because Sun continually forces their corporate politics on every > > community they are involved with whether we like it or not? > > > You can focus on corporate politics or you can focus on communicating > with the other developers and doing stuff here in the community. I see > many things happening in the community that should give us hope that we > are making progress. Why is it so hard to talk about that rather than > get distracted with politics?
Because Sun politics are what seems to continually give outsiders ammunition to criticise our community? We don't have to look any farther than the recent naming issue to see where politics have created a negative perception of Sun's involvement in the communities they participate in. > >> Don't we have enough of our own problems to deal with? When we blow > >> these things up and make them big company things we lose sight of the > >> fact that we -- as individuals in this community -- are actually the > >> ones who have to solve our own problems. Not Sun. By focusing on Sun, we > >> will continually miss the opportunity to fix all the small problems that > >> lead to the big ones. > > > > It's hard not to focus on Sun when their management team's inability > > to clearly communicate both inside and outside of their company > > continues to make the communities they participate in look like > > nothing more than a "pr move" and leads to decisions that cause unrest > > and tension within our community and others. > > > If this is a PR move it's a really expensive one and all the wrong > people are involved. Also, I spent a decade in PR and I can assure you > this is no PR move. PR moves tightly control messages, whereas Sun's > open source projects have blown up messaging big time. You just argued > that we can't communicate clearly. Are you arguing for a more tightly > controlled message so everything is all consistent and in order? If so, > that makes open source community conversation difficult at best. We are > communicating quite directly right now. That would be impossible if this > were a PR move. I personally don't believe it's a "pr move". Which is why: * I have stated so before personally (at the OpenSolaris Developer Summit and at other times) * I placed the phrase "pr move" into quotations I apologise for not making it clearer that "pr move" is not *my* personal perception. However, I think you know from reading postings on popular websites (slashdot, et al.) that it is the perception that many others have of the communities and projects that Sun participates in. I would be one of the last people to believe that OpenSolaris was nothing more than a "pr move." However, if members of Sun management continue to make decisions in a poor manner (i.e. naming issue) then what am I supposed to think about their sincerity? I often hear the excuse that "we're still learning" -- but some things are plain ole' "common sense." If Sun is so inexperienced in this area, perhaps they should have considered hiring someone who is as a community manager, and ensuring that he drives their decisions instead of stumbling around? -- Shawn Walker, Software and Systems Analyst http://binarycrusader.blogspot.com/ "We don't have enough parallel universes to allow all uses of all junction types--in the absence of quantum computing the combinatorics are not in our favor..." --Larry Wall _______________________________________________ opensolaris-discuss mailing list [email protected]
