You (Paul Gress) wrote:
> On 08/ 4/10 11:40 AM, Matthias Pfützner wrote:
>>
>> I guess, I don't get, what you're after?
>>
>> The nVIDIA device driver is written by nVIDIA, not Oracle!
>>
>> Solaris/OpenSolaris is not specifically a Server or Workstation OS, it's an
>> OS. People use it. Oracle/Sun currently only sells server-hardware. So,
>> trying
>> to derive from that fact, that Solaris/OpenSolaris is only a server OS is a
>> conclusion done by someone. But, if people would be using Solaris/OpenSolaris
>> more for Desktop, then that would be helping nVIDIA in porting/migrating (my
>> guess).
>>
>> You all here can help with that:
>>
>> Now with the 3rd-party hardware support option, you only need to certify your
>> workstations using the HCTS, and buy support contracts... ;-) It's up to the
>> end-user, what they use the software (or here: the OS) for... ;-)
>>
>>
>
> I guess you not getting where I'm going. Nvidia is not going to write
> device drivers if there's no market. Without any more HPC and
> Workstations, why would you write it?
As others have mentioned, CUDA and OpenCL are also useful on servers.
I guess, I'm getting, where you're after...
IF you want DESKTOPS, you need to have someone certify them (HCTS), so that
they appear in the HCL (Sun/Oracle isn't in that business currently/any
more). Solaris/OpenSolaris does not care, if it's run on a workstation or a
server, it runs on all... ;-)
> I have been using
> Solaris/Opensolaris for 15 years as a Workstation. I started with an
> Ultra2 running Pro-Engineer a MCAD application, and continued through today
> using Opensolaris on an HPZ800 Workstation. Where I'm afraid is Oracle has
> removed all Workstations from their product offering and hasn't updated the
> HPC website for almost a year. When I read the Hardware Compatability
> notes for PTC Pro-Engineer WF5, it states there are no current plans for
> its next generation WF6 MCAD product to be developed on Solaris 10. This
> means to me, that funding to keep development going has ceased, from Oracle
> and PTC.
Oracle is not responsible for what PTC does with PTC Pro-Engineer...
> I believe this is only the tip of the Iceberg. Without
> Workstations being offered, the ECAD, MCAD and HPC communities will dry up.
As I said: If you want to run Solaris/OpenSolaris on a workstation, currently
you need to run Solaris/OpenSolaris on a non-Oracle HW. In order to have
Oracle recognize the need or see some revenue, those WorkStations would need
to be in the HCL and you would need to buy a support contract for them. That
might influence Oracle. If it would also influence PTC, I have no idea... ;-)
> Nvidia will waste their time developing a driver which no one can use.
As stated: Solaris/OpenSolaris runs on more Workstations than only those that
once came from Sun. Have those certified, have those in use and PTC and nVIDIA
might re-think their current position...
> They need applications that require it. I see IBM, the makers of Catia and
> Solidworks announced a new CAD program to run on Windows, MacOS and Linux.
> Where is Solaris/Opensolaris? If Oracle isn't supporting their OS on
> Workstations, why should anybody else?
Again: As stated clearly in:
http://www.oracle.com/us/products/servers-storage/solaris/non-sun-x86-081976.html
Solaris IS supported on ALL systems listed as CERTIFIED in the HCL (by
Oracle!). And getting systems into the certified state in the HCL is by
running the HCTS. It's "as easy" as that... That's what I started saying in
the beginning. Yes, it's a chicken/egg problem, but currently there seems to
be no profitable market for Sun/Oracle workstations. Others have higher
volume, and can therefore be cheaper. And cheap counts in many cases. Again:
This is all my thinking!
> Paul
Matthias
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