Yeah, while I was at OOW, I talked to the product manager for Solaris who told 
me that the source code will be released when there is an official release of 
Solaris 11. So basically, we have to wait until it's all baked in before a code 
drop. So the only way we'll get to see new features is through Solaris 11 
Express which will just be a binary distribution with a pkg repo to work with. 


Personally, it's nice having the code out there for developers and what not. 
But 
at the same time, I understand Oracle's concerns. Having every new feature and 
fix out there for the whole world to see just invites the competition to 
reverse 
engineer and compete better with Solaris which is not what Oracle wants. Oracle 
wants the honor of releasing a baked release to "one up" the competition and 
keep the advantage on their side. Nothing wrong with that from a business 
perspective. Not like you see Apple, Coke, or McDonalds giving out recipes on 
their next big thing.

What I would like is for the community to be able to continue to file bugs and 
work with the engineers to fix things at least. But support is also a revenue 
generating business, so it's unlikely.

Now from a licensing perspective, I was told by this same product manager that 
the OTN license does enable us to use Solaris 11 Express, Solaris 11, and 
Solaris 10 for personal use (development, education, evaluation, hobby, etc.) 
for free. It's only when you use those products for production that they want 
you to pay. I did give him feedback on the debates here in the forums about how 
the use cases needed to be spelled out more clearly and he agreed. And I think 
that's pretty reasonable and in-line with how Oracle handles its other product 
lines where you can download them and run them for free until you're using them 
in production. So to all the FUD spreaders or those over-reacting and thinking 
they have to switch to Linux, you can put the breaks on that and take the 
tin-foil hats and penguin suits off. You can still have your Solaris for free:)

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----- Original Message ----
From: Volker A. Brandt <v...@bb-c.de>
To: Uros Nedic <ur...@live.com>
Cc: OpenSolarisDiscuss <opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org>
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 5:22:12 AM
Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Solaris 11 Express

Hi Uros!


I admire your persistence! :-)

>   While I have been in SF, I visited Oracle booth during OOW, JavaOne and
>   Oracle Develop. They said to me that they plan to release Solaris Express
>   each couple of months (6-months, let say). After few Solaris Express
>   releases they plan to release Solaris Update patch as a collection of
>   all add-ons in all Solaris Express releases during two updates. 

Yes, that is what I have heard.

>   There, I spoke with some Senior Engineer, who told me that there *is* also
>   possibility that they release bi-weekly binary builds, as they did it
>   regularly almost year ago, but this time without any source code.

Interesting... but we have learned the hard way that what Oracle engineers
say, even with the best intentions, is not what Oracle might say.

>   My question is pointless maybe, but maybe still have chances to get this,
>   too. Things are not yet so consolidated as you believe. I realised it
>   after SF conference.  If anyone is interested I could write one post
>   elaborating everything with citations. 

I am not going to tell you what you should or should not write. :-)
It's just that I don't see much good such a discussion on this list.

We all here want the source anyway.  The question for Oracle is
what revenue a source drop might bring, directly or indirectly.


Best regards -- Volker A. Brandt
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