My apologies, Joe - I'll email you directly. On 10/04/2010 1:28 AM, Joe Miller wrote: > Tateru, > > You can continue down this road if you wish, but the facts are the > words in 13.3 do not become effective for Residents who had registered > before March 31, 2010 until April 30 2010. (See the blog post here > <https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/03/31/updated-second-life-terms-of-service> > with additional words to that effect.) The updated TOS text was > pushed to everyone so they would have the benefit of a full 30 days to > review it before acknowledging formal acceptance of it by accessing > the system after April 30. > > So, please, do not add to the rhetoric here by telling me about > contract law, charges of fraud, coercion or whatever point you're > trying to make. The TOS in force today was the agreement accepted by > all Residents of record prior to March 31. After April 30, everything > you say about section 13.3 in the new TOS is reasonably accurate. > > The purpose of my brown bag is to talk about the new TPV policy and > the concerns raised by several members of the open source community. > I intend to listen to listen to all reasonable proposals to address > those concerns. Those who do not wish to participate in that > synchronous event can email me instead if they so choose. Again, I'm > looking forward to a productive exchange of specific ideas to address > specific shared concerns, whether at these meetings or via some other > channel. > > If you have nothing to offer, there is no reason to come. > > -- Joe > > > Tateru Nino wrote: >> That clear statement is inadmissible by the terms of the TOS §13.3, >> I'm afraid, which disclaims such as not being a valid part of the >> agreement. No part of the agreement that is made admissible by §13.3 >> suggests or implies any commencement date other than immediately. >> >> Nor does it permit any explanation, FAQ, supplement, or discussion to >> be considered relevant (except as provided, which none have been). >> Boilerplate it may be, but it is binding boilerplate. It could say >> that "This agreement grants you a lifetime supply of banana custard", >> but that's not actually in there. It would be an assurance that is >> disclaimed within the agreement. §10.3 absolves the Lab and its >> representatives of charges of fraud if they say something about the >> agreements that aren't strictly speaking true, in order to obtain >> agreement. >> >> As a general rule for contracts and agreements (leaving aside the >> TPVP, the TOS, and Linden Lab for a moment), it's widely considered >> remiss to act based on inadmissible representations or explanations >> of a contract from /the other party to the actual agreement/. That's >> the sort of thing lawyers warn you not to do. >> >> >> On 9/04/2010 3:32 PM, Joe Linden wrote: >>> Of course you can. The ToS presented at login clearly states it >>> becomes effective on 4/30. In the meantime, you continue to use the >>> service under the terms of the prior ToS which doesn't contain the >>> TPV provisions. If one has issues with the prior ToS agreement, and >>> hasn't previously accepted those terms, then I agree, this meeting >>> isn't for you. >>> >>> -- joe >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Boy Lane <boy.l...@yahoo.com >>> <mailto:boy.l...@yahoo.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks Joe. >>> >>> Unfortunately one can not attend without going inworld and accepting >>> ToS/TPV in the first place. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:24:57 >>> -0700 >>> From: Joe Linden <j...@lindenlab.com <mailto:j...@lindenlab.com>> >>> Subject: [opensource-dev] Brown-bag meeting to continue >>> dialog on TVPV >>> next Tuesday (4/13) >>> To: OpenSource-Dev <opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com >>> <mailto:opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com>> >>> Message-ID: >>> <v2k6b9495c41004081324ibd5ec762zb8d098a09c7f0...@mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <mailto:v2k6b9495c41004081324ibd5ec762zb8d098a09c7f0...@mail.gmail.com>> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Hello, all. I've been reading the ongoing commentary here, >>> on various >>> blogs, irc, and in-world groups about the recently >>> introduced Third Party >>> Viewer Policy and Directory and I'd like to host an "office >>> hour" or >>> informal brown bag to make the conversation a little more >>> synchronous for >>> those who are interested. I plan to hold three of these >>> over the next >>> couple of weeks, at times that might be friendlier for some >>> than others, but >>> the first one will happen next Tuesday, 4/13 at noon PDT. >>> I'd like to >>> address questions about the intent of the policy, how we >>> will be using the >>> Directory going forward, and see if I can gather the >>> specific concerns that >>> have been raised by the community over the past several >>> weeks. It'll be an >>> informal Q&A session, held in voice, at this location: >>> >>> >>> http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Linden%20Estate%20Services/229/230/29 >>> >>> No RSVP needed, and feel free to rebroadcast the invite to >>> others you think >>> would benefit from open dialog around the subject. >>> >>> I hope to see many of you there next week. >>> >>> -- Joe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >>> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >>> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >>> privileges >> >> -- >> Tateru Nino >> http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: >> http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev >> Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting >> privileges
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