On Friday 09 April 2010 11:49:48 am Joe Miller wrote: > <PRE> > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> > <html> > <head> > <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> > <title></title> > </head> > <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> > No apology necessary. I just wanted to restate that if TPV authors > are staying away from this meeting because of some perceived "catch-22" on > acceptance of the updated TOS, that shouldn't be an issue as they are > governed by the TOS in effect prior to 3/31.<br> > <br> > Tateru Nino wrote: > <blockquote cite="mid:4bbf4b70.6020...@gmail.com" type="cite"> > <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > My apologies, Joe - I'll email you directly.<br> > <br> > On 10/04/2010 1:28 AM, Joe Miller wrote: > <blockquote cite="mid:4bbf4785.6010...@lindenlab.com" type="cite"> > <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > Tateru,<br> > <br> > You can continue down this road if you wish, but the facts are the > words in 13.3 do not become effective for Residents who had registered > before March 31, 2010 until April 30 2010. (See the blog post <a > moz-do-not-send="true" > href="https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/community/blog/2010/03/31/upd > ated-second-life-terms-of-service">here</a> with additional words to that > effect.) The updated TOS text was pushed to everyone so they would > have the benefit of a full 30 days to review it before acknowledging > formal acceptance of it by accessing the system after April 30. <br> > <br> > So, please, do not add to the rhetoric here by telling me about > contract law, charges of fraud, coercion or whatever point you're > trying to make. The TOS in force today was the agreement accepted by > all Residents of record prior to March 31. After April 30, everything > you say about section 13.3 in the new TOS is reasonably accurate.<br> > <br> > The purpose of my brown bag is to talk about the new TPV policy and the > concerns raised by several members of the open source community. I > intend to listen to listen to all reasonable proposals to address those > concerns. Those who do not wish to participate in that synchronous > event can email me instead if they so choose. Again, I'm > looking forward to a productive exchange of specific ideas to address > specific shared concerns, whether at these meetings or via some other > channel.<br> <br> > If you have nothing to offer, there is no reason to come.<br> > <br> > -- Joe<br> > <br> > <br> > Tateru Nino wrote: > <blockquote cite="mid:4bbec529.9010...@gmail.com" type="cite"> > <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1" > http-equiv="Content-Type"> > That clear statement is inadmissible by the terms of the TOS §13.3, > I'm afraid, which disclaims such as not being a valid part of the > agreement. No part of the agreement that is made admissible by §13.3 > suggests or implies any commencement date other than immediately.<br> > <br> > Nor does it permit any explanation, FAQ, supplement, or discussion to > be considered relevant (except as provided, which none have been). > Boilerplate it may be, but it is binding boilerplate. It could say that > "This agreement grants you a lifetime supply of banana custard", but > that's not actually in there. It would be an assurance that is > disclaimed within the agreement. §10.3 absolves the Lab and its > representatives of charges of fraud if they say something about the > agreements that aren't strictly speaking true, in order to obtain > agreement.<br> > <br> > As a general rule for contracts and agreements (leaving aside the TPVP, > the TOS, and Linden Lab for a moment), it's widely considered remiss to > act based on inadmissible representations or explanations of a contract > from <i>the other party to the actual agreement</i>. That's the sort > of thing lawyers warn you not to do.<br> > <br> > <br> > On 9/04/2010 3:32 PM, Joe Linden wrote: > <blockquote > cite="mid:i2m6b9495c41004082232mc2320c1by1c03619be336f...@mail.gmail.com" > type="cite">Of course you can. The ToS presented at login clearly > states it becomes effective on 4/30. In the meantime, you continue to > use the service under the terms of the prior ToS which doesn't contain > the TPV provisions. If one has issues with the prior ToS agreement, > and hasn't previously accepted those terms, then I agree, this meeting > isn't for you.<br> > <br> > -- joe<br> > <br> > <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Boy > Lane <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" > href="mailto:boy.l...@yahoo.com";>boy.l...@yahoo.com</a>></span> > wrote:<br> > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" > style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt > 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thanks Joe.<br> > <br> > Unfortunately one can not attend without going inworld and accepting<br> > ToS/TPV in the first place.<br> > <br> > <br> > <blockquote class="gmail_quote" > style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt > 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">----- Original > Message ----- Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 13:24:57 -0700<br> > From: Joe Linden <<a moz-do-not-send="true" > href="mailto:j...@lindenlab.com"; > target="_blank">j...@lindenlab.com</a>><br> Subject: [opensource-dev] > Brown-bag meeting to continue dialog on TVPV<br> next Tuesday (4/13)<br> > To: OpenSource-Dev <<a moz-do-not-send="true" > href="mailto:opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com"; > target="_blank">opensource-dev@lists.secondlife.com</a>><br> > Message-ID:<br> > <<a moz-do-not-send="true" > href="mailto:v2k6b9495c41004081324ibd5ec762zb8d098a09c7f0...@mail.gmail.co > m" > target="_blank">v2k6b9495c41004081324ibd5ec762zb8d098a09c7f0...@mail.gmail > .com</a>><br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br> > <br> > Hello, all. I've been reading the ongoing commentary here, on > various<br> blogs, irc, and in-world groups about the recently introduced > Third Party<br> > Viewer Policy and Directory and I'd like to host an "office hour" or<br> > informal brown bag to make the conversation a little more synchronous > for<br> > those who are interested. I plan to hold three of these over the > next<br> couple of weeks, at times that might be friendlier for some than > others, but<br> > the first one will happen next Tuesday, 4/13 at noon PDT. I'd like > to<br> address questions about the intent of the policy, how we will be > using the<br> > Directory going forward, and see if I can gather the specific concerns > that<br> > have been raised by the community over the past several weeks. It'll > be an<br> > informal Q&A session, held in voice, at this location:<br> > <br> > <a moz-do-not-send="true" > href="http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Linden%20Estate%20Services/229 > /230/29" > target="_blank">http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Linden%20Estate%20Se > rvices/229/230/29</a><br> <br> > No RSVP needed, and feel free to rebroadcast the invite to others you > think<br> > would benefit from open dialog around the subject.<br> > <br> > I hope to see many of you there next week.<br> > <br> > -- Joe<br> > </blockquote> > <br> > <br> > </blockquote> > </div> > <br> > <pre wrap=""><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" > href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev";>http://wiki.secondli > fe.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev</a> Please read the policies before posting to > keep unmoderated posting privileges</pre> </blockquote> > <br> > <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- > Tateru Nino > <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" > href="http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/";>http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/</ > a> </pre> > <pre wrap=""><hr size="4" width="90%"> > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" > href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev";>http://wiki.secondli > fe.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev</a> Please read the policies before posting to > keep unmoderated posting privileges</pre> </blockquote> > </blockquote> > <br> > <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- > Tateru Nino > <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" > href="http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/";>http://dwellonit.taterunino.net/</ > a> </pre> > <pre wrap=""> > <hr size="4" width="90%"> > _______________________________________________ > Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: > <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" > href="http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev";>http://wiki.secondli > fe.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev</a> Please read the policies before posting to > keep unmoderated posting privileges</pre> </blockquote> > </body> > </html> > </PRE>
Can someone please translate the above into readable English. _______________________________________________ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges
