Your English is at once clear and eloquent.

Allow me to parse what is available now, from old and
current sources.  I will send it to the dev group and
to you.  If acceptable; use it, display it, link to
it.

Let's tentatively commit to a draft user's guide by
Weihnachten perhaps?  Anything is better than nothing.
 Reader feedback improves better than developer
overview.  Developers like you are thorough-bred
racing horses.  Let the plough horses like me plow the
manure into the fields.  Lovely metaphor, eh?

If you agree, please reply.  I will begin creatio ex
nihlio.  Ohne Fleiss, kein Preiss as we say here.

Thank for the response.  Hiking in the mountains... 
Here, in the MidWest (USA) we drive a day or more to
see mountains.

--- Lutz Jaenicke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> (Just came back from hiking in the Harz mountains
> late yesterday evening.)
> 
> On Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 12:37:08PM -0700, john
> traenky wrote:
> > I read you too work on documentation.  I would
> like to
> > join the work.  How should I start?  Should I
> gather
> > notes about SSLeay and OpenSSL and create a user
> guide
> > draft?  Who in the group reviews and approves such
> > writing?  I'm eager to start and have experience
> as a
> > technical writer & editor.  I also have the
> world's
> > worst German imaginable, easily worse than any
> > Berliner.  Or Muenchener, depending on your
> location.
> 
> Berlin is a perfect guess :-)
> 
> These are a lot of more or less difficult questions,
> I'll try to sort out
> things:
> - There is an OpenSSL developers team that has
> access to the CVS source code
>   archive and that finally decides on what goes into
> OpenSSL and what not.
>   The way the team is gathered is nowhere defined.
> At some points in time
>   people were added.
> - Contributions to OpenSSL are always welcome. They
> should be sent to
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] and should be in "diff -u"
> format. The developers
>   will pick them up and include them into the
> package. Sometimes it seems
>   such postings will simply pass by, then you have
> to send some reminder :-).
> - This scheme does not really apply to
> documentation, if it is in the large
>   scale. From time to time I submit manual pages for
> the SSL_* functions.
>   I have spend some time while writing Postfix/TLS
> to figure things out
>   and want to make it possible for other people to
> share my knowledge.
>   This is not my main job, so my contributions are
> coming in slow, but
>   in the long run I should be able to document all
> of the SSL_* functions,
>   maybe before the release of 0.9.7 (won't happen to
> soon probably).
> - What is really missing for OpenSSL is a "User's
> Guide" (as opposed to the
>   "User's Reference and Manual Pages" we currently
> have.
>   This User's Guide would contain the concepts,
> things like memory management,
>   the concept of session caching, the structure of
> the SSL-setup (an SSL
>   machine using BIO's for the actual input/output).
> This Guide would help
>   people to understand how OpenSSL works and enable
> them to start writing
>   their own applications.
>   Today we have or are working on documentation on
> the "analysis" part.
>   You can look into a TLS/SSL application, then look
> up the functions used
>   in the reference manual/manual pages and
> understand what they are doing.
>   A User's Guide would be suitable for the
> "synthesis" part, enabling people
>   to realize their own application.
> 
> The problem is that realizing this kind of "User's
> Guide" require a lot of
> intimate knowledge about the internals of the
> OpenSSL library. It is simply
> not available at this time. Some information can be
> collected by following
> the links on www.openssl.org, but you will probably
> have a problem to
> describe the concepts unless you have written your
> own application,
> analyzed at least once a TLS session handshake etc.
> Probably this job could take you more than just a
> couple of hours :-)
> If you think this would be something you like to do,
> it would be best
> to set up your own website and a link would be added
> from www.openssl.org.
> This way you would keep your complete freedom to
> change whatever you like
> whenever you like. Submitting patches via mail to
> openssl-dev always includes
> a delay. Whenever you think you have completed
> another package of work,
> you can send an announcement to the list. It can
> than also be added to
> the main package.
> 
> Other people like Claus Assmann already gave
> additional hints. Let's see
> whether the disussion brings more points.
> 
> Best regards,
>       Lutz
> -- 
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