Brad House wrote:
>> Brad, sorry, I didn't mean to come across as negative.  The point I was
>> trying to make is that once a validation starts I can't afford to delay
>> it to deal with problems that are discovered in the already frozen
>> baseline, unless those problems are critical to the requirements of the
>> paying sponsors.  Hence we don't solicit general public input for
>> in-process validations.  ...
> Yes, that is understandable.  Any code going through validation at that
> time cannot be touched.  I think what Kyle asked for was prior to the
> next validation starting, a 2-week window where people could provide
> patches.  Basically a 'last-call', or at least some projected timelines
> for when it would be submitted so we know if the code is 'close-to-final'
> before we try to provide patches (at least portability patches as is
> my selfish concern).
>   
Well, a single two-week window is reasonable.  In thinking through the
issue more I realize there is another reason I've not been anxious to
solicit patches form the whole world.  The deadlines in the validation
process are asymmetrical in that we as the vendor have to keep to tight
schedules to have any hope of obtaining a validation in time to be
useful to the sponsors, while the timelines for test lab or CMVP
response to our inputs are always open ended.   That means that I can
state a deadline, have contributers frantically scrambling to code or
test in the short time allotted, only to find that nothing happens for
days or weeks afterwards and as a consequence a mod from someone else
may subsequently be slipped in with no fuss or bother.  The poor guy
that worked all night or through the weekend to meet the original
deadline I announced isn't happy when that happens.

So a "last call" timeline is going to have to be with the understanding
that I can't really predict when the final cut-off point occurs.

I also think checking the head of that branch is worthwhile, because any
new validation will start from that point.  While new problems may be
introduced with new development it's unlikely that any problems already
there will spontaneously disappear.

-Steve M.

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Steve Marquess
Open Source Software institute
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