Great to hear from another former TOPS-20 user....I worked on TOPS back in the 
early 80s, then VMS of course.
Also reverse-engineered (to some degree, more like reverse-compiled) PDP-8 
paper tape.  All in all, I'll take the docs. :)

Randy

On Dec 2, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Mark H. Wood wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 01, 2009 at 02:08:08PM -0800, Randy Turner wrote:
>> As an investor, I would rather have my coders use a product with
>> documentation to "make progress" on the actual goals of the product,
>> rather than reverse-engineer the information they're trying to look
>> for.
>> 
>> With the former method, my cost is (n), with the latter method, my
>> cost could be unbounded, depending upon how complex the source code
>> is (i.e., explicit code, or 14 levels of indirection and C macros
>> that have to be understood).
>> 
>> It sounds like you're making the case for documentation to me....and
>> I agree.
> 
> Hear, hear!  I've done such reverse-engineering.  I once disassembled
> the compiled code (all there was on the Unsupported tape) for the
> TOPS-20 Programmable Command Language; edited it (through many
> iterations) into clean, idiomatic, well-commented MACRO-10; studied
> how it hooked into the EXEC; and from the coments wrote a user's
> manual, so I could figure out what the heck it did.  I'm quite proud
> of my work.  I never, EVER want to do anything like that again.  It
> was lengthy and exhausting and ultimately unsatisfactory.
> 
> Along the way I learned all the way down to my toes how little
> information is conveyed by code about what the designer was thinking
> or how he expected his design to be used.  That's why, in a commercial
> OS, right next to each Reference Manual there is a Programmer's Guide
> or a User's Guide.
> 
> I wish I *could* write some of the Programmer's Guides I have wanted
> over the years but, obviously, the person who needs one is the person
> least able to write one.  My PCL manual, proud as I am of it, was a
> botch, much too short and incomplete.  I simply wasn't able to glean
> enough information from the source to write properly.  The designer
> knows things the rest of us do not, and it is precisely that knowledge
> which gives documentation much of its value.
> 
> -- 
> Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer   mw...@iupui.edu
> Friends don't let friends publish revisable-form documents.

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