Adrian Otto wrote: > If OpenStack starts a culture of exclusion instead of inclusion, that would > start a dangerous trend that sets the wrong tone. It would quickly reach the > point where new projects like mine would simply not come here. We would go > somewhere else that does have a culture of inclusion. We would not employ the > values of open design and open collaboration, and we would be back to the > "throw stuff over the wall" approach to open source. That would be a tragedy. > Don't destroy the things about OpenStack's community that make it awesome.
It's definitely a trade-off between usability and community inclusion... Trust me, I understand the value of cross-pollination, which is why I wouldn't support a pure per-project split (as suggested elsewhere in this thread). I'm just trying to find the right balance. >> Because they ARE two different groups. > > That thinking is backwards. From a community perspective we are not two > different groups. Making us into two groups is a huge mistake. I was talking about groups of projects. We have an incubation process to decide when new projects are allowed to start tapping into OpenStack common resources, like use an openstack/* repo, get into the integrated gate, or tap into QA or release management dudes for guidance. I see openstack-dev ML space as one of those common resources. Letting anyone use it to talk about their new stackforge project has some cost, even if it's an externality to you. This is not about excluding anyone, it's about prioritizing our resources. If we followed your line of thought, we should just abandon the project incubation process because it's a way to prevent promising projects from accessing resources they need in order to develop their full potential. Anyway, I don't expect to convince you, since you're clearly the one benefiting the most from the current setup. I'm on the other end of the spectrum, trying my best to keep my sanity with the ever-growing number of things I need to keep an eye on :) And maybe the benefits of unlimited cross-pollination are worth more than the drawback of forcing everyone to process enormous email piles every day. (Filtering is an option I have with well-behaved projects like Solum, I just fear it would not work so well for less "filterable" threads.) -- Thierry Carrez (ttx) _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
