On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Sean M. Collins <s...@coreitpro.com> wrote: > I suppose I am also philosophically opposed to having all these special > snowflake working groups. If you want to get things done in OpenStack > the best thing to do is roll up your sleeves and start participating > directly in the project where you need work done. I know for a fact that > in the Neutron community, we had RFE bugs and other processes so that > operators could submit requirements, and they weren't expected to do all > the work by themselves.
I read through the LCOO etherpad meeting notes last night and it does appear that this group is bringing some resources to "do work", there was a 2 FTE per member requirement initially. From reading the notes I got the feel of a very corporate-style project in that there is still a lot of planning and organizing going on but there were notes pointing to things being proposed and merged into existing projects in addition to the aspirations of new ones. My primary concern in this instance is the model being used here. The members of the group want to control the scope (approval to add a topic) and membership (justification and approval of members). Often this is done to prevent scope creep and maintaining focus. But it contrary to the founding principles of OpenStack. The notes talked about getting Foundation buy-in but I didn't see anything of the outcomes of that. LCOO also appears to be a collection of companies that have brought some internal projects out into the twilight (searching for sunlight?) and looking for a way to upstream that work. Even today many companies that have names familiar in the Open Source/Free Software world struggle with how to actually operate in this world. We need to help them, both from the community side and from within. I do think there needs to be a lot of encouragement for LCOO and other groups that are actually more like trade associations to fully commit to an open development model, specifically OpenStack's established model since there is an explicit desire for their work product to be included in OpenStack directly. They will greatly benefit form starting out in our development and operation style. [[There is another entirely separate subject regarding the direction that LCOO wants to go and the sustainability in making a single OpenStack fit all sizes and types of deployments. I'll leave that for $SUMMIT_COLD_BEVERAGE conversations for now.]] dt  Am I the only one who simply can not read 'LCOO' as anything other than 'loco'? :) -- Dean Troyer dtro...@gmail.com __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev