On 08/03/17 11:23, David Moreau Simard wrote:
The App Catalog, to me, sounds sort of like a weird message that
OpenStack somehow requires applications to be
packaged/installed/deployed differently.
If anything, perhaps we should spend more effort on advertising that
OpenStack provides bare metal or virtual compute resources and that
apps will work just like any other places.
Look, it's true that legacy apps from the 90s will run on any VM you can
give them. But the rest of the world has spent the last 15 years moving
on from that. Applications of the future, and increasingly the present,
span multiple VMs/containers, make use of services provided by the
cloud, and interact with their own infrastructure. And users absolutely
will need ways of packaging and deploying them that work with the
underlying infrastructure. Even those apps from the 90s should be taking
advantage of things like e.g. Neutron security groups, configuration of
which is and will always be out of scope for Docker Hub images.
So no, we should NOT spend more effort on advertising that we aim to
become to cloud what Subversion is to version control. We've done far
too much of that already IMHO.
regards,
Zane.
David Moreau Simard
Senior Software Engineer | Openstack RDO
dmsimard = [irc, github, twitter]
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Jay Pipes <jaypi...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 03/06/2017 06:26 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Hello everyone,
The App Catalog was created early 2015 as a marketplace of pre-packaged
applications that you can deploy using Murano. Initially a demo by
Mirantis, it was converted into an open upstream project team, and
deployed as a "beta" as apps.openstack.org.
Since then it grew additional categories (Glance images, Heat & Tosca
templates), but otherwise did not pick up a lot of steam. The website
(still labeled "beta") features 45 glance images, 6 Tosca templates, 13
heat templates and 94 murano packages (~30% of which are just thin
wrappers around Docker containers). Traffic stats show around 100 visits
per week, 75% of which only read the index page.
In parallel, Docker developed a pretty successful containerized
application marketplace (the Docker Hub), with hundreds of thousands of
regularly-updated apps. Keeping the App Catalog around (including its
thinly-wrapped Docker container Murano packages) make us look like we
are unsuccessfully trying to compete with that ecosystem, while
OpenStack is in fact completely complementary.
In the past we have retired projects that were dead upstream. The App
Catalog is not in this case: it has an active maintenance team, which
has been successfully maintaining the framework and accepting
applications. If we end up retiring the App Catalog, it would clearly
not be a reflection on that team performance, which has been stellar
despite limited resources. It would be because the beta was arguably not
successful in building an active marketplace of applications, and
because its continuous existence is not a great fit from a strategy
perspective. Such removal would be a first for our community, but I
think it's now time to consider it.
Before we discuss or decide anything at the TC level, I'd like to
collect everyone thoughts (and questions) on this. Please feel free to
reply to this thread (or reach out to me privately if you prefer). Thanks
!
Mirantis' position is that the App Catalog was a good idea, but we agree
with you that other application repositories like DockerHub and Quay.io are
both more useful and more actively used.
The OpenStack App Catalog does indeed seem to unnecessarily compete with
those application repositories, and we would support its retirement if that
is what the community would like to do. We'll provide resources and help in
winding anything down if needed.
Best,
-jay
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