Renat Akhmerov wrote:
On 10 Mar 2017, at 06:02, Zane Bitter <zbit...@redhat.com
<mailto:zbit...@redhat.com>> wrote:
On 08/03/17 11:23, David Moreau Simard wrote:
The App Catalog, to me, sounds sort of like a weird message that
OpenStack somehow requires applications to be
packaged/installed/deployed differently.
If anything, perhaps we should spend more effort on advertising that
OpenStack provides bare metal or virtual compute resources and that
apps will work just like any other places.
Look, it's true that legacy apps from the 90s will run on any VM you
can give them. But the rest of the world has spent the last 15 years
moving on from that. Applications of the future, and increasingly the
present, span multiple VMs/containers, make use of services provided
by the cloud, and interact with their own infrastructure. And users
absolutely will need ways of packaging and deploying them that work
with the underlying infrastructure. Even those apps from the 90s
should be taking advantage of things like e.g. Neutron security
groups, configuration of which is and will always be out of scope for
Docker Hub images.
So no, we should NOT spend more effort on advertising that we aim to
become to cloud what Subversion is to version control. We've done far
too much of that already IMHO.
100% agree with that.
And this whole discussion is taking me to the question: is there really
any officially accepted strategy for OpenStack for 1, 3, 5 years?
I can propose what I would like for a strategy (it's not more VMs and
more neutron security groups...), though if it involves (more) design by
committee, count me out.
I honestly believe we have to do the equivalent of a technology leapfrog
if we actually want to be relevant; but maybe I'm to eager...
Is
there any ultimate community goal we’re moving to regardless of
underlying technologies (containers, virtualization etc.)? I know we’re
now considering various community goals like transition to Python 3.5
etc. but these goals don’t tell anything about our future as an IT
ecosystem from user perspective. I may assume that I’m just not aware of
it. I’d be glad if it was true. I’m eager to know the answers for these
questions. Overall, to me it feels like every company in the community
just tries to pursue its own short-term (in the best case mid-term)
goals without really caring about long-term common goals. So if we say
OpenStack is a car then it seems like the wheels of this car are moving
in different directions. Again, I’d be glad if it wasn’t true. So maybe
some governance needed around setting and achieving ultimate goals of
OpenStack? Or if they already exist we need to better explain them and
advertise publicly? That in turn IMO could attract more businesses and
contributors.
Renat Akhmerov
@Nokia
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