On 23/09/17 12:25 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Excerpts from Qiming Teng's message of 2017-09-23 23:55:34 +0800:To some extent, I think Zhipeng is right. There are times we as a community have to do something beyond mentoring new developers. One of the reasons behind these patches are from the management chain of those companies. They need numbers, and they don't care what kind of contributions were made. They don't bother read these emails.Another fact is that some companies are doing such things not just in the OpenStack community. Their developers are producing tons of low-quality "patches" to play this as a game in other communities as well. If we don't place a STOP sign, things will never get improved. By not doing something, we are hurting everyone, including those developers who could have done more meaningful contributions, though their number of patches may decrease. Just my 2 cents. - QimingThis may be true. Before we create harsh processes, however, we need to collect the data to show that other attempts to provide guidance have not worked. We have a lot of anecdotal information right now. We need to collect that and summarize it. If the results show that there are clear abuses, rather than misunderstandings, then we can use the data to design effective blocks without hurting other contributors or creating a reputation that our community is not welcoming.
I would also like to take this opportunity to encourage everyone to assume good faith. There are ways to evaluate if there are reasons to believe there are abusive behaviors from some companies and/or contributors. It is neither encouraged nor right to publicly shame anyone. This is not the way we operate and I would like to keep it that way. Let's build a process and/or tool that can be used to analyze this behaviors so that we can communicate them through the right channels. Flavio -- @flaper87 Flavio Percoco
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