Sylvain Bauza wrote:

Le mar. 18 sept. 2018 à 14:41, Jeremy Stanley < <>> a écrit :

    On 2018-09-18 11:26:57 +0900 (+0900), Ghanshyam Mann wrote:
     > I can understand that IRC cannot be used in China which is very
     > painful and mostly it is used weChat.

    I have yet to hear anyone provide first-hand confirmation that
    access to Freenode's IRC servers is explicitly blocked by the
    mainland Chinese government. There has been a lot of speculation
    that the usual draconian corporate firewall policies (surprise, the
    rest of the World gets to struggle with those too, it's not just a
    problem in China) are blocking a variety of messaging protocols from
    workplace networks and the people who encounter this can't tell the
    difference because they're already accustomed to much of their other
    communications being blocked at the border. I too have heard from
    someone who's heard from someone that "IRC can't be used in China"
    but the concrete reasons why continue to be missing from these

Thanks fungi, that's the crux of the problem I'd like to see discussed in the governance change. In this change, it states the non-use of existing and official communication tools as to be "cumbersome". See my comment on PS1, I thought the original concern was technical.

Why are we discussing about WeChat now ? Is that because a large set of our contributors *can't* access IRC or because they *prefer* any other ? In the past, we made clear for a couple of times why IRC is our communication channel. I don't see those reasons to be invalid now, but I'm still open to understand the problems about why our community becomes de facto fragmented.

Agreed, I'm still trying to grasp the issue we are trying to solve here.

We really need to differentiate between technical blockers (firewall), cultural blockers (language) and network effect preferences (preferred platform).

We should definitely try to address technical blockers, as we don't want to exclude anyone. We can also allow for a bit of flexibility in the tools used in our community, to accommodate cultural blockers as much as we possibly can (keeping in mind that in the end, the code has to be written, proposed and discussed in a single language). We can even encourage community members to reach out on local social networks... But I'm reluctant to pass an official resolution to recommend that TC members engage on specific platforms because "everyone is there".

Thierry Carrez (ttx)

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