I'm curious, how would having Nova reviewers look at this have helped?

On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Jay Pipes <jaypi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 08/06/2014 07:08 PM, CARVER, PAUL wrote:
>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:01 PM, Mohammad Banikazemi <m...@us.ibm.com<mailto:
>> m...@us.ibm.com>>
>>   wrote:
>>  Yes, indeed.
>>> I do not want to be over dramatic but the discussion on the original
>>> "Group
>>> Based Policy and the way forward" thread is nothing short of
>>> heartbreaking.
>>> After months and months of discussions, three presentations at the past
>>> three
>>> summits, a design session at the last summit, and (most relevant to this
>>> thread) the approval of the spec, why are we talking about the merits of
>>> the
>>> work now?
>>> I understand if people think this is not a good idea or this is not a
>>> good
>>> time. What I do not understand is why these concerns were not raised
>>> clearly
>>> and openly earlier.
>> I have to agree here. I'm not sure whether my organization needs GBP or
>> not.
>> It's certainly not our top priority for Neutron given a variety of other
>> more
>> important functional gaps. However, I saw their demo at the summit and it
>> was
>> clear that a lot of work had gone into it even before Icehouse. From the
>> demo
>> it was clearly a useful enhancement to Neutron even if it wasn't at the
>> top
>> of my priority list.
>> For people to be asking to justify the "why" this far into the Juno cycle
>> when the spec was approved and the code was demoed at the summit really
>> brings the OpenStack process into question. It's one thing to discuss
>> technical merits of contributions but it's totally different to pull the
>> rug
>> out from under a group of contributors at the last minute after such a
>> long
>> period of development, discussion, and demo.
>> Seeing this sort of last minute rejection of a contribution after so much
>> time has been invested in it could very easily have a chilling effect on
>> contributors.
> I don't disagree with you, Paul.
> I blame myself for not paying the attention I should have to this earlier
> in the process.
> FWIW, I had a good conversation with Sumit and Kevin on #openstack-neutron
> this afternoon about this particular topic. We agree on some things;
> disagree on others.
> Bottom line, I go back to what I said in a previous email: the Nova and
> Neutron development teams need to do a much better job in being directly
> involved in each other's spec discussions and design conversations.
> Best,
> -jay
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