On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:42 PM, Russell Bryant <rbry...@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 08/13/2014 02:44 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> On 08/13/2014 02:33 PM, Dan Smith wrote: >>> On 8/13/14 11:20 AM, Mike Bayer wrote: >>>> On Aug 13, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Russell Bryant <rbry...@redhat.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> I disagree. IMO, *expecting* people to travel, potentially across >>>>> the globe, 4 times a year is an unreasonable expectation, and >>>>> quite uncharacteristic of open source projects. If we can't figure >>>>> out a way to have the most important conversations in a way that is >>>>> inclusive of everyone, we're failing with our processes. >>>>> >>>>> By all means, if a subset wants to meet up and make progress on >>>>> some things, I think that's fine. I don't think anyone think it's >>>>> not useful. >>> >>> Well, it doesn't seem at all excessive to me, given the rate and volume >>> at which we do things around here. That said, if a significant number of >>> cores think it's not doable, then I guess that's a data point. >>> >>> From what you said above, it sounds like you're okay with the meetings >>> but not the requirement for cores. I said "expect" above -- is that a >>> reasonable thing? Expect them to be present, unless they have a reason >>> not to be there? Reasons could be personal or preference, but hopefully >>> not "I never come to midcycles because $reason." >>> >>>> It’s difficult to compare OpenStack to other open source projects, in >>>> that it is on such a more massive and high velocity scale than almost >>>> any others (perhaps the Linux kernel is similar). >>> >>> Yeah, I have a hard time justifying anything by comparing us to other >>> projects. I've been involved with plenty and don't think any of them are >>> useful data points for what we should or should not do here in terms of >>> anything related to velocity :) >> >> I think we also need to be careful with not continuing to increase >> expectations because of velocity. Burnout is a real problem. >> > > Let me try to say it another way. You seemed to say that it wasn't much > to ask given the rate at which things happen in OpenStack. I would > argue that given the rate, we should not try to ask more of individuals > (like this proposal) and risk burnout. Instead, we should be doing our > best to be more open an inclusive to give the project the best chance to > grow, as that's the best way to get more done. > > I think an increased travel expectation is a raised bar that will hinder > team growth, not help it. > > -- > Russell Bryant +1, well said. Doug _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
