On 26/08/14 18:59, Clint Byrum wrote:
Excerpts from Steve Baker's message of 2014-08-26 14:25:46 -0700:
On 27/08/14 03:18, David Kranz wrote:
On 08/26/2014 10:14 AM, Zane Bitter wrote:
Steve Baker has started the process of moving Heat tests out of the
Tempest repository and into the Heat repository, and we're looking
for some guidance on how they should be packaged in a consistent way.
Apparently there are a few projects already packaging functional
tests in the package <projectname>.tests.functional (alongside
<projectname>.tests.unit for the unit tests).
That strikes me as odd in our context, because while the unit tests
run against the code in the package in which they are embedded, the
functional tests run against some entirely different code - whatever
OpenStack cloud you give it the auth URL and credentials for. So
these tests run from the outside, just like their ancestors in
There's all kinds of potential confusion here for users and
packagers. None of it is fatal and all of it can be worked around,
but if we refrain from doing the thing that makes zero conceptual
sense then there will be no problem to work around :)
Thanks, Zane. The point of moving functional tests to projects is to
be able to run more of them
in gate jobs for those projects, and allow tempest to survive being
stretched-to-breaking horizontally as we scale to more projects. At
the same time, there are benefits to the
tempest-as-all-in-one-functional-and-integration-suite that we should
try not to lose:
1. Strong integration testing without thinking too hard about the
2. Protection from mistaken or unwise api changes (tempest two-step
3. Exportability as a complete blackbox functional test suite that can
be used by Rally, RefStack, deployment validation, etc.
I think (1) may be the most challenging because tests that are moved
out of tempest might be testing some integration that is not being
by a scenario. We will need to make sure that tempest actually has a
complete enough set of tests to validate integration. Even if this is
all implemented in a way where tempest can see in-project tests as
"plugins", there will still not be time to run them all as part of
tempest on every commit to every project, so a selection will have to
(2) is quite difficult. In Atlanta we talked about taking a copy of
functional tests into tempest for stable apis. I don't know how
workable that is but don't see any other real options except vigilance
in reviews of patches that change functional tests.
(3) is what Zane was addressing. The in-project functional tests need
to be written in a way that they can, at least in some configuration,
run against a real cloud.
I suspect from reading the previous thread about "In-tree functional
test vision" that we may actually be dealing with three categories of
test here rather than two:
* Unit tests that run against the package they are embedded in
* Functional tests that run against the package they are embedded in
* Integration tests that run against a specified cloud
i.e. the tests we are now trying to add to Heat might be
qualitatively different from the <projectname>.tests.functional
suites that already exist in a few projects. Perhaps someone from
Neutron and/or Swift can confirm?
That seems right, except that I would call the third "functional
tests" and not "integration tests", because the purpose is not really
integration but deep testing of a particular service. Tempest would
continue to focus on integration testing. Is there some controversy
The second category could include whitebox tests.
I don't know about swift, but in neutron the intent was to have these
tests be configurable to run against a real cloud, or not. Maru Newby
would have details.
I'd like to propose that tests of the third type get their own
top-level package with a name of the form
<projectname>-integrationtests (second choice: <projectname>-tempest
on the principle that they're essentially plugins for Tempest). How
would people feel about standardising that across OpenStack?
+1 But I would not call it "integrationtests" for the reason given above.
Because all heat does is interact with other services, what we call
functional tests are actually integration tests. Sure, we could mock at
the REST API level, but integration coverage is what we need most. This
I'd call that "faking", not mocking, but both could apply.
lets us verify things like:
- how heat handles races in other services leading to resources going
A fake that predictably fails (and thus tests failure handling) will
result in better coverage than a real service that only fails when that
real service is broken. What's frustrating is that _both_ are needed to
Yeah, we discussed this in the project meeting yesterday and
basically came to the conclusion that we'll ultimately need both
functional tests with fake services and integration tests with real
Also, the latter is uncharted territory, so we should just implement it
in whatever way seems to make the most sense and we can decide later
based on the experience whether it really did or not.
- connectivity and interaction between heat and agents on orchestrated
That is definitely a real integration problem, as it also tests OS's,
cloud-init, ec2 metadata, etc. etc.
I'd like to see fake versions of each API service available (think nova
fake virt, fake cinder, etc) and simple ways to spin them up with fakes.
Of course full integration tests need more realistic simulation.
However, being able to run a set of tests that do actually exercise the
interactions between the real services should lead to more developers
running them in a tight loop and less gate churn.
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