On 09/04/2014 04:51 PM, Murray, Paul (HP Cloud) wrote:
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> On 4 September 2014 14:07, Nikola Đipanov <ndipa...@redhat.com> wrote:
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> On 09/04/2014 02:31 PM, Sean Dague wrote:
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>> On 09/04/2014 07:58 AM, Nikola Đipanov wrote:
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>>> Hi team,
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>>> I am requesting the exception for the feature from the subject (find
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>>> specs at [1] and outstanding changes at [2]).
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>>> Some reasons why we may want to grant it:
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>>> First of all all patches have been approved in time and just lost the
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>>> gate race.
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>>> Rejecting it makes little sense really, as it has been commented on by a
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>>> good chunk of the core team, most of the invasive stuff (db migrations
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>>> for example) has already merged, and the few parts that may seem
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>>> contentious have either been discussed and agreed upon [3], or can
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>>> easily be addressed in subsequent bug fixes.
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>>> 
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>>> It would be very beneficial to merge it so that we actually get real
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>>> testing on the feature ASAP (scheduling features are not tested in the
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>>> gate so we need to rely on downstream/3rd party/user testing for those).
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>> This statement bugs me. It seems kind of backwards to say we should
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>> merge a thing that we don't have a good upstream test plan on and put it
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>> in a release so that the testing will happen only in the downstream case.
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> The objective reality is that many other things have not had upstream
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> testing for a long time (anything that requires more than 1 compute node
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> in Nova for example, and any scheduling feature - as I mention clearly
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> above), so not sure how that is backwards from any reasonable point.
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> Thanks to folks using them, it is still kept working and bugs get fixed.
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> Getting features into the hands of users is extremely important...
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>> Anyway, not enough to -1 it, but enough to at least say something.
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> .. but I do not want to get into the discussion about software testing
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> here, not the place really.
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> However, I do think it is very harmful to respond to FFE request with
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> such blanket statements and generalizations, if only for the message it
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> sends to the contributors (that we really care more about upholding our
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> own myths as a community than users and features).
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> I believe you brought this up as one of your justifications for the FFE.
> When I read your statement it does sound as though you want to put
> experimental code in at the final release. I am sure that is not what
> you had in mind, but I am also sure you can also understand Sean's point
> of view. His point is clear and pertinent to your request.
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> As the person responsible for Nova in HP I will be interested to see how
> it operates in practice. I can assure you we will do extensive testing
> on it before it goes into the wild and we will not put it into practice
> if we are not happy.
> 

That is awesome and we as a project are lucky to have that! I would not
want things put into practice that users can't use or see huge flaws with.

I can't help but read this as you being OK with the feature going ahead,
though :).

N.

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