Thanks Daniel for taking the time to write such deep message. Obviously you have thought about this issue for a long time and your opinion comes from deep personal understanding. I'm adding tags for neutron and cinder, as I know they're having similar conversations.
I don't have a strong opinion on the solution you and Kyle seem to be leaning toward, I just have a couple of comments/warnings below On 09/04/2014 03:24 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > saying 'This Is a Large Crisis'. A large crisis requires a large > plan. Not necessarily, quite the contrary indeed. To address and solve big problems, experience and management literature suggest it's a lot better to make *one* small change, measure its effect and make one more change, measure its effect, and on and on until perfection. The discussion triggered by TripleO about 'what to measure' goes in the right direction. Your proposal seem to require a long term investment before its effects can be visible, although some of the things necessary for the split will be needed anyway. Do you think there are small changes with high impact that we can refine in Paris and put in place for Juno? The other comment I have is about the risks of splitting teams and create new ones whose only expertise is their company's domain. I'm concerned of the bad side effect of having teams in Nova Program with very limited or no incentive at all to participate in nova-common project since all they care about will be their little (proprietary) hypervisor or network driver. I fear we may end up with nova-common owned by a handful of people from a couple of companies, limping along, while nova-drivers devs throw stones or ignore. Maybe this worst case scenario of disenfranchised membership is not as bad as I think it would be, I'm voicing my concern also to gauge this risk better. What are your thoughts on this specific risk? How can we mitigate it? /stef  http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044689.html _______________________________________________ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStackfirstname.lastname@example.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev