On 11/12/2014 02:35 PM, Monty Taylor wrote:
On 11/12/2014 02:40 AM, Richard Jones wrote:
On 12 November 2014 18:17, Matthias Runge <mru...@redhat.com> wrote:

On 11/11/14 10:53, Jiri Tomasek wrote:

Thanks for writing this up!
The Storyboard project has successfully integrated these tools into
the OpenStack CI environment.
OpenStack CI and distributors are different, because OpenStack CI does
not distribute software.

Ah, I wasn't clear; my concern was whether the tools chosen would be
compatible with the CI environment. I'm hoping that distribution of the
tools isn't our concern (see below).
Using javascript tooling (yeoman, grunt, bower, etc.) has this issue of
being dependent on nodejs which if I recall correctly is causing
problems for packagers as some versions of these tools require different
nodejs versions - please Mathias correct me if I am wrong. I know this
discussion has been here before, but using these tools is necessary for
effective development. So we need to resolve the problem asap.
Storyboard does not have this issue as it is infra thing.
As far as I know, those tools don't require different nodejs versions.
But: we can not have different node.js versions installed at the same
time. I assume, this is true for all distributions. Creating and
maintaining parallel installable versions just sucks and causes many

I believe the nodeenv method of installing node solves this, as it's
entirely local to the development environment.

Just for the record, I believe that we should chose the tools that make
sense for making our software, as long as it's not physically impossible
for them to be packaged. This means we should absolutely not use things
that require multiple versions of node to be needed. The nodejs that's
in trusty is new enough to work with all of the modern javascript tool
chain things needed for this, so other than the various javascript tools
and libraries not being packaged in the distros yet, it should be fine.

That a bunch of javascript libraries will need to be distro pacakged
should not be a blocker (although I don't think that anyone is saying it
is) That is, after all, the important work the distros do. At this
point, given the popularity of javascript and javascript tooling, I'm
pretty sure the problem is going to have to be solved at some point.
+1, I am really glad this has been said.

I will have to go through all dependencies and do a review, if those are
acceptable for inclusion e.g in Fedora. The same is true for Thomas
Goirand for inclusion in Debian.

Petr Belanyi has added optional jshint install for js linting into
Horizon and it installs nodejs as it depends on it. Could this approach
work for our need of js tooling too? [1]
Sigh, this nonsense doesn't go away? This is the third time the same
issue comes up.

jshint is NOT free software.


They're trying to resolve that https://github.com/jshint/jshint/issues/1234

But regardless, jshint doesn't have to be installed from a Linux
repository; it's usually installed using npm alongside the other node tools.


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