Sounds like we could add something new to automate the enrollment of new 
nodes:-)
Collecting IPMI info into a csv file is still a trivial job...

BR
Zhou Zhenzan

-----Original Message-----
From: Dmitry Tantsur [mailto:dtant...@redhat.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:19 PM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] ironic-discoverd status update

On 01/08/2015 06:48 AM, Kumar, Om (Cloud OS R&D) wrote:
> My understanding of discovery was to get all details for a node and then 
> register that node to ironic. i.e. Enrollment of the node to ironic. Pardon 
> me if it was out of line with your understanding of discovery.
That's why we agreed to use terms inspection/introspection :) sorry for not 
being consistent here (name 'discoverd' is pretty old and hard to change).

discoverd does not enroll nodes. while possible, I'm somewhat resistant to make 
it do enrolling, mostly because I want it to be user-controlled process.

>
> What I understand from the below mentioned spec is that the Node is 
> registered, but the spec will help ironic discover other properties of the 
> node.
that's what discoverd does currently.

>
> -Om
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dmitry Tantsur [mailto:dtant...@redhat.com]
> Sent: 07 January 2015 20:20
> To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] ironic-discoverd status update
>
> On 01/07/2015 03:44 PM, Matt Keenan wrote:
>> On 01/07/15 14:24, Kumar, Om (Cloud OS R&D) wrote:
>>> If it's a separate project, can it be extended to perform out of band
>>> discovery too..? That way there will be a single service to perform
>>> in-band as well as out of band discoveries.. May be it could follow
>>> driver framework for discovering nodes, where one driver could be
>>> native (in-band) and other could be iLO specific etc...
>>>
>>
>> I believe the following spec outlines plans for out-of-band discovery:
>>     https://review.openstack.org/#/c/100951/
> Right, so Ironic will have drivers, one of which (I hope) will be a driver 
> for discoverd.
>
>>
>> No idea what the progress is with regard to implementation within the
>> Kilo cycle though.
> For now we hope to get it merged in K.
>
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>> Just a thought.
>>>
>>> -Om
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Dmitry Tantsur [mailto:dtant...@redhat.com]
>>> Sent: 07 January 2015 14:34
>>> To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
>>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] ironic-discoverd status update
>>>
>>> On 01/07/2015 09:58 AM, Zhou, Zhenzan wrote:
>>>> So is it possible to just integrate this project into ironic? I mean
>>>> when you create an ironic node, it will start discover in the
>>>> background. So we don't need two services?
>>> Well, the decision on the summit was that it's better to keep it
>>> separate. Please see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135605/ for
>>> details on future interaction between discoverd and Ironic.
>>>
>>>> Just a thought, thanks.
>>>>
>>>> BR
>>>> Zhou Zhenzan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Dmitry Tantsur [mailto:dtant...@redhat.com]
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 4:49 PM
>>>> To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] ironic-discoverd status update
>>>>
>>>> On 01/05/2015 09:31 AM, Zhou, Zhenzan wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Dmitry
>>>>>
>>>>> I think this is a good project.
>>>>> I got one question: what is the relationship with ironic-python-agent?
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Hi!
>>>>
>>>> No relationship right now, but I'm hoping to use IPA as a base for
>>>> introspection ramdisk in the (near?) future.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR
>>>>> Zhou Zhenzan
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Dmitry Tantsur [mailto:dtant...@redhat.com]
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 10:35 PM
>>>>> To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
>>>>> Subject: [openstack-dev] [Ironic] ironic-discoverd status update
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>>
>>>>> As you know I actively promote ironic-discoverd project [1] as one
>>>>> of the means to do hardware inspection for Ironic (see e.g. spec
>>>>> [2]), so I decided it's worth to give some updates to the community
>>>>> from time to time. This email is purely informative, you may safely
>>>>> skip it, if you're not interested.
>>>>>
>>>>> Background
>>>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>>> The discoverd project (I usually skip the "ironic-" part when
>>>>> talking about it) solves the problem of populating information
>>>>> about a node in Ironic database without help of any vendor-specific
>>>>> tool. This information usually includes Nova scheduling properties
>>>>> (CPU, RAM, disk
>>>>> size) and MAC's for ports.
>>>>>
>>>>> Introspection is done by booting a ramdisk on a node, collecting
>>>>> data there and posting it back to discoverd HTTP API. Thus actually
>>>>> discoverd consists of 2 components: the service [1] and the ramdisk
>>>>> [3]. The service handles 2 major tasks:
>>>>> * Processing data posted by the ramdisk, i.e. finding the node in
>>>>> Ironic database and updating node properties with new data.
>>>>> * Managing iptables so that the default PXE environment for
>>>>> introspection does not interfere with Neutron
>>>>>
>>>>> The project was born from a series of patches to Ironic itself
>>>>> after we discovered that this change is going to be too intrusive.
>>>>> Discoverd was actively tested as part of Instack [4] and it's RPM
>>>>> is a part of Juno RDO. After the Paris summit, we agreed on
>>>>> bringing it closer to the Ironic upstream, and now discoverd is
>>>>> hosted on StackForge and tracks bugs on Launchpad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Future
>>>>> ======
>>>>>
>>>>> The basic feature of discoverd: supply Ironic with properties
>>>>> required for scheduling, is pretty finished as of the latest stable
>>>>> series 0.2.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, more features are planned for release 1.0.0 this January [5].
>>>>> They go beyond the bare minimum of finding out CPU, RAM, disk size
>>>>> and NIC MAC's.
>>>>>
>>>>> Plugability
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> An interesting feature of discoverd is support for plugins, which I
>>>>> prefer to call hooks. It's possible to hook into the introspection
>>>>> data processing chain in 2 places:
>>>>> * Before any data processing. This opens opportunity to adopt
>>>>> discoverd to ramdisks that have different data format. The only
>>>>> requirement is that the ramdisk posts a JSON object.
>>>>> * After a node is found in Ironic database and ports are created
>>>>> for MAC's, but before any actual data update. This gives an
>>>>> opportunity to alter, which properties discoverd is going to update.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, even the default logic of update Node.properties is
>>>>> contained in a plugin - see SchedulerHook in
>>>>> ironic_discoverd/plugins/standard.py
>>>>> [6]. This plugability opens wide opportunities for integrating with
>>>>> 3rd party ramdisks and CMDB's (which as we know Ironic is not ;).
>>>>>
>>>>> Enrolling
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people have found it limiting that the introspection requires
>>>>> power credentials (IPMI user name and password) to be already set.
>>>>> The recent set of patches [7] introduces a possibility to request
>>>>> manual power on of the machine and update IPMI credentials via the
>>>>> ramdisk to the expected values. Note that support of this feature
>>>>> in the reference ramdisk [3] is not ready yet. Also note that this
>>>>> scenario is only possible when using discoverd directly via it's
>>>>> API, not via Ironic API like in [2].
>>>>>
>>>>> Get Involved
>>>>> ============
>>>>>
>>>>> Discoverd terribly lacks reviews. Out team is very small and
>>>>> self-approving is not a rare case. I'm even not against
>>>>> fast-tracking any existing Ironic core to a discoverd core after a
>>>>> couple of meaningful reviews :)
>>>>>
>>>>> And of course patches are welcome, especially plugins for
>>>>> integration with existing systems doing similar things and CMDB's.
>>>>> Patches are accepted via usual Gerrit workflow. Ideas are accepted
>>>>> as Launchpad blueprints (we do not follow the Gerrit spec process
>>>>> right now).
>>>>>
>>>>> Finally, please comment on the Ironic spec [2], I'd like to know
>>>>> what you think.
>>>>>
>>>>> References
>>>>> ==========
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ironic-discoverd
>>>>> [2] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135605/
>>>>> [3]
>>>>> https://github.com/openstack/diskimage-builder/tree/master/elements
>>>>> /i
>>>>> r
>>>>> onic-discoverd-ramdisk [4]
>>>>> https://github.com/agroup/instack-undercloud/
>>>>> [5] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-discoverd/+milestone/1.0.0
>>>>> [6]
>>>>> https://github.com/stackforge/ironic-discoverd/blob/master/ironic_d
>>>>> is
>>>>> c
>>>>> overd/plugins/standard.py
>>>>> [7]
>>>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic-discoverd/+spec/setup-ipmi-
>>>>> cr
>>>>> e
>>>>> dentials
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