On 24/04/15 06:02, Richard Raseley wrote: > Flavio Percoco wrote: >>> I think getting operators to adopt it is key to getting other openstack >>> projects to also adopt it. There is something of a chicken and the egg >>> problem >>> with the integration. Some of the projects you will want to integrate >>> the most >>> with are already considered pretty stable and may not want to rewrite >>> working >>> bits to target a service thats hard for ops to deploy. It makes their >>> service >>> hard to deploy too. >>> >>> Getting into RDO and Ubuntu will go a long way there. Getting into >>> Packstack >>> and other deployment tools even further. >> >> I don't fully agree with the above. The problem on waiting for >> operators to adopt it is that they might actually not have a reason to >> do it, which doesn't mean the project is useless. Each operator will >> decide what services they want to provide. > > The needs of operators are a reflection of the needs of their users. > > I don't want to use the word 'useless', because it has a clear > negative connotation - and I don't think Zaqar is 'useless'. Let's > instead discuss 'utility'. > > The utility of any solution or product is completely subjective, and > solely based upon the underlying requirements. If real operators with > real requirements do not view a particular solution as having utility > for them - then it doesn't. > > You are correct in that there is a bit of a bootstrapping problem, but > I strongly feel like the answer to that is continuing to listen to, > and test against, the market (the architects and operators). > > Build a minimally viable product that (a) has clear messaging and use > cases (b) is easy to deploy and configure and (c) doesn't demand deep > integration into an existing cloud and operators will start deploying, > testing, and providing feedback. This will create the right feedback > cycle and help in validating (or completely demolishing) assumptions > on what users actually need. > > With regard to '(b)' above, it doesn't appear that there any any > Puppet modules to assist with the installation and configuration of > Zaqar. If you're interested, let's chat in Vancouver to see if I can > help in get a basic set out there. > Awesome, thank you for the support. I believe the puppet work is one of our goals in Liberty, so please pop in #openstack-zaqar and let's have a talk. > Regards, > > Richard Raseley > > SysOps Engineer > Puppet Labs > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: > [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
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