On 24/04/15 09:32 +1200, Fei Long Wang wrote:
On 24/04/15 06:02, Richard Raseley wrote:Flavio Percoco wrote:I think getting operators to adopt it is key to getting other openstack projects to also adopt it. There is something of a chicken and the egg problem with the integration. Some of the projects you will want to integrate the most with are already considered pretty stable and may not want to rewrite working bits to target a service thats hard for ops to deploy. It makes their service hard to deploy too. Getting into RDO and Ubuntu will go a long way there. Getting into Packstack and other deployment tools even further.I don't fully agree with the above. The problem on waiting for operators to adopt it is that they might actually not have a reason to do it, which doesn't mean the project is useless. Each operator will decide what services they want to provide.The needs of operators are a reflection of the needs of their users. I don't want to use the word 'useless', because it has a clear negative connotation - and I don't think Zaqar is 'useless'. Let's instead discuss 'utility'. The utility of any solution or product is completely subjective, and solely based upon the underlying requirements. If real operators with real requirements do not view a particular solution as having utility for them - then it doesn't. You are correct in that there is a bit of a bootstrapping problem, but I strongly feel like the answer to that is continuing to listen to, and test against, the market (the architects and operators). Build a minimally viable product that (a) has clear messaging and use cases (b) is easy to deploy and configure and (c) doesn't demand deep integration into an existing cloud and operators will start deploying, testing, and providing feedback. This will create the right feedback cycle and help in validating (or completely demolishing) assumptions on what users actually need. With regard to '(b)' above, it doesn't appear that there any any Puppet modules to assist with the installation and configuration of Zaqar. If you're interested, let's chat in Vancouver to see if I can help in get a basic set out there.Awesome, thank you for the support. I believe the puppet work is one of our goals in Liberty, so please pop in #openstack-zaqar and let's have a talk.
I'm very interested in chatting in Vancouver. FWIW, we do have partial support for puppet. It's partial because, well, it's not complete yet. I started it with basically now knowledge of how puppet manifest's work and Jason took it over and started contributing to it. Unfortunately, it's not done yet. https://github.com/jasontclark/puppet-zaqar Thanks for the feedback, Flavio
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