On 05/05/15 19:00, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Maish Saidel-Keesing wrote:
It is not only the representation - it is also action on the feedback.
There was an OPS summit not so long ago in Philadelphia [1]. Two full
days. I personally did not participate but from what I heard it was a
good two days of discussions.
It was. I was there. So were other TC members and PTLs.
There are at least 10 etherpads (Yay!! The OpenStack way of doing
things!) that summarized the thoughts and concerns of the participants.
I think it would be fair to ask - how many actionable items came out of
the this meeting that were implemented in any of the projects? If anyone
has answers - they would be highly appreciated.
Did the TC follow up on these items?
Did the PTL's? (I know some of the PTL's were present there at the summit)
Actually, we did. For example we talked about tags, and ops clearly
expressed (1) the need for a kernel/compute base tag and (2) the
intention to form a workgroup to define tags around operational
maturity. For (1) the tag was just proposed, and for (2) an Ops
workgroup has been created.
As far as "implemented in any of the projects" go, I think you have a
weird idea of the timeframe involved. The PHL meetup was in March, after
the Kilo feature freeze. Way past time to implement anything in any project.
Now you might say - that is not their job, but I do think that it should
be. The developer teams are asking for feedback the whole time. Saying
that Operators are not sending it back their way. Here they are. What
was done with all of this?
It's also interesting to note that in most of those sessions, we ended
up with actions on the corresponding ops workgroup side to define the
problem space and push the issue further, not actions on developers to
pick up the etherpad and derive actions from it.
I am not sure we live in the Ops vs. Dev world you seem to live in.
There were Ops, there were Devs (and other contributors) present in that
meetup and I didn't feel any of that "us vs. them" attitude there.
Quite the contrary - I do not live in a Ops vs. Dev world. What I am
trying to do here is help both sides understand each other. Because
there should be no "us vs. them" thing here. It should be an us thing.
But an ALL of us thing.
In Vancouver we completely integrated Ops as one of the Design Sumit
tracks, further acknowledging that Ops feedback is part of the Design. I
for one am curious to see what will get out of it.
+1 here!
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Best Regards,
Maish Saidel-Keesing
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