CLIs should get versioned like any other contract and allow for change (not be
restricted in stone to what's already out there{). With Solum, we have less to
worry about as we are at the early phases of adoption and growth. To someone's
earlier point, you can have —non-interactive flags which allows shell
scripting, or —interactive which provides a more positive human interaction
experience (defaulting either way, but my $0.2 is you default to human
interaction, is even the shell scripters start there to learn/test the
capabilities manually before scripting. I think projects can solve for both,
it just takes a willingness to do so. To the extent that can be tackled in the
new unified OpenStack client, that would be fantastic!
-Keith
From: <Fox>, Kevin M <kevin....@pnnl.gov<mailto:kevin....@pnnl.gov>>
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It sounded like the push was, cli's for interactive, if you want to script, use
python. My assertion was, developers script in python, users/admins script in
shell usually. Not arguing against making the cli user experience more pleasant
for interactive users, but realize shell is the way most user/admins will
script since that is what they are accustomed to.
Now, unfortunately there's probably a lot of scripts out there today, and if
you make things more interactive, you risk breaking them horribly if you start
requiring them to be default interactive :/ Thats not an easily solved
problem. Best way I can think of is fix it in the new unified openstack client,
and give the interactive binary a new name to run interactive mode. Shell
scripts can continue to use the existing stuff without fear of breakage.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Kevin, I agree with your break out, except I think you are missing a 3rd
category. 100's of public cloud support specialists, developers, and product
management folks use the CLI without scripts every day in supporting the
OpenStack services and customers. Using and interacting with the CLI is how
folks learn the OpenStack services. The CLIs can be painful for those users
when they actually want to learn the service, not shell script around it.
-Keith
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-1. There are developers and there are users/admins. The former tend to write
in python. the latter, shell.
Thanks,
Kevin
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Isn't that what the SDK is for? To chip in with a Product Management type hat
on, I'd think the CLI should be primarily focused on user experience
interaction, and the SDK should be primarily targeted for developer automation
needs around programmatically interacting with the service. So, I would argue
that the target market for the CLI should not be the developer who wants to
script.
-Keith
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Interactive choices like that one can make it more confusing for developers who
want to script with the CLI. My preference would be to label the app delete
help text to clearly indicate that it deletes logs
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