Thierry Carrez wrote:
Adrian Otto wrote:
This pursuit is a trap. Magnum should focus on making native container
APIs available. We should not wrap APIs with leaky abstractions. The
lowest common denominator of all COEs is an remarkably low value API
that adds considerable complexity to Magnum that will not
strategically advance OpenStack. If we instead focus our effort on
making the COEs work better on OpenStack, that would be a winning
strategy. Support and compliment our various COE ecosystems.
So I'm all for avoiding 'wrap APIs with leaky abstractions' and 'making
COEs work better on OpenStack' but I do dislike the part about COEs
(plural) because it is once again the old non-opinionated problem that
we (as a community) suffer from.
Just my 2 cents, but I'd almost rather we pick one COE and integrate
that deeply/tightly with openstack, and yes if this causes some part of
the openstack community to be annoyed, meh, to bad. Sadly I have a
feeling we are hurting ourselves by continuing to try to be everything
and not picking anything (it's a general thing we, as a group, seem to
be good at, lol). I mean I get the reason to just support all the
things, but it feels like we as a community could just pick something,
work together on figuring out how to pick one, using all these bright
leaders we have to help make that possible (and yes this might piss some
people off, to bad). Then work toward making that something great and
move on...
I'm with Adrian on that one. I've attended a lot of container-oriented
conferences over the past year and my main takeaway is that this new
crowd of potential users is not interested (at all) in an
OpenStack-specific lowest common denominator API for COEs. They want to
take advantage of the cool features in Kubernetes API or the versatility
of Mesos. They want to avoid caring about the infrastructure provider
bit (and not deploy Mesos or Kubernetes themselves).
Let's focus on the infrastructure provider bit -- that is what we do and
what the ecosystem wants us to provide.
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