Kevin, Why have one snowflake when you can have two?
Snarky comments aside :) Sergey did answer that question in the specification he linked (rest quoted): " ------------ Alternatives ------------ This spec is actually describes an alternative experimental approach for OpenStack deployment, but there are few questions to answer about alternatives. 1. Why not use Kolla's container images? There is a set of fundamental requirements for container images that is currently not covered or controversial to some Kolla principles. This list will be maintained and discussed with Kolla community under the following specification published to Kolla project: I18b319cb796192a1e61ecd516a485dc82d52652f 2. Why not contribute to Kolla-Kubernetes? It's based on the Kolla container images, while we need to solve list of requirements described in I18b319cb796192a1e61ecd516a485dc82d52652f " Sergey, The technical committee has set precedent that competition is acceptable in the "outer ring" of services (i.e. The TC doesn't want Big Tent projects competing with nova for example but deployment is fair game). I agree with that decision completely. However, I can't help but wonder wouldn't this require at-least a Fuel mission change to the governance repository? When (correct me if I am wrong) Kuryr started to encroach upon the mission of Magnum, Kuryr had to change their mission statement. Now both mission statements overlap which is an unfortunate aspect of healthy growing projects. The mission statement of Kolla is: Kolla provides production-ready containers and deployment tools for operating OpenStack clouds. That specification is a direct translation of Kolla's mission statement into more lines of text. I am ok with competition, but please make and meet your commitments in the governance repository so folks in the community understand what each project is about. Regards, -steve From: "Fox, Kevin M" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:11 AM To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [fuel] [kolla] Containerized OpenStack on Kubernetes experimental project proposal Um, why try and reimplement Kolla from scratch rather then use the existing Kolla system and make it available via Fuel? There is already a project do deploy OpenStack containers in Kubernetes: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/kolla-kubernetes/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304182/ Lets work together rather then creating more projects. Thanks, Kevin ________________________________ From: Sergey Lukjanov [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 6:56 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: [openstack-dev] [fuel] Containerized OpenStack on Kubernetes experimental project proposal Hi, I'd like to share proposal on running the experimental project under the Fuel umbrella for running OpenStack in containers on top of Kubernetes, codename "Fuel CCP". Here is a specification in Fuel: https://review.openstack.org/331139 CCP is the initiative to package OpenStack services in the containers and use standard container management framework to run and manage them. It includes following areas, but not limited to them: * OpenStack containerization and container image building tooling * CI/CD to produce properly layered and versioned containers for the supported stable and current master branches of OpenStack projects * OpenStack deployment in containers on top of Kubernetes with HA for OpenStack services and their dependencies (e.g. MySQL, RabbitMQ, etc.) * Tooling for deploying and operating OpenStack clusters with support for the upgrades, patching, scaling and changing configuration As for the governance - Fuel CCP will be just a separated experimental project under OpenStack namespace with own specs and core team. The nearest example of the same governance is 3rd party Fuel plugin done not by Mirantis. Thanks. -- Sincerely yours, Sergey Lukjanov Principal Software Engineer Mirantis Inc.
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