Michal,
I don’t think setting a gate expectation on upstream distros is appropriate
considering our plans to expand our CI coverage. This would present a mission
impossible to the debian maintainers in Kolla.
We want to preserve choice, and locking out an upstream disro because of a lack
of CI coverage is a bit onerous. I think the bar we should is:
“Are people working to maintain the implementation?”
Regards
-steve
On 9/22/16, 7:42 AM, "Michał Jastrzębski" <inc...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm also reluctant to deprecation of debian.There are few changes to
ubuntu and it might just work:) However, I'd love to ask whoever would
like us to keep using debian to create gates for it.
I would like to give debian one more release to go and deprecate it if
we fail to create gates in Ocata timeframe, how about that?
On 22 September 2016 at 06:48, Martin André <m.an...@redhat.com> wrote:
> I'm -1 on deprecating Debian base image considering it's a recent
> addition to Kolla and we can legitimately assume the person who
> contributed it had plans to use it. I would love to get Benedikt’s
> input.
>
> Martin
>
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>
wrote:
>> Matthias,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was asked why this is so by a different person. The reason is
determining
>> majority is impossible if the electorate isn’t well defined in advance of
>> the vote. In this case, the electorate is the core team who were
selected
>> by their peers to serve as the leadership of the project. We could
correct
>> this deficiency by holding votes across all contributors for the last
year.
>> The authorized votes for the PTL election [1] for Kolla Newton were 114
>> people, and 69 voted.
>>
>>
>>
>> The PTL election was a major vote – not something simple like a
deprecation
>> vote. Yet 60% of eligible voters voted. Using this mechanism would
result
>> in an inability to obtain a majority on any issue in my opinion, would be
>> more heavyweight, and require a whole lot more work, and finally slow
down
>> decision making processes.
>>
>>
>>
>> We vote on proposals such as this to remove logjams (if there are any to
be
>> removed) and we want it to be lightweight.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Steven Dake <std...@cisco.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 8:32 AM
>>
>>
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Mathias,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for voicing your opinion (and anyone is welcome to do that in
>> Kolla), however, core reviewer votes are the only binding votes in the
>> decision making process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Mathias Ewald <mew...@evoila.de>
>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 at 7:25 AM
>> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)"
>> <openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>
>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [vote][kolla] deprecation for debian distro
>> support
>>
>>
>>
>> Option 2
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-09-20 16:07 GMT+02:00 Steven Dake (stdake) <std...@cisco.com>:
>>
>> Consider this a reversal of my vote for Debian deprecation.
>>
>> Swapnil, thanks for bringing this fact to our attention. It was missing
>> from the original vote. I don’t know why I didn’t bring up Benedikt’s
>> contributions (which were substantial) just as Paul’s were substantial
for
>> Oracle Linux. I guess the project is too busy for me to keep all the
>> context in my brain. The fact that there is no debian gate really is
>> orthogonal to the discussion in my mind. With this action we would be
>> turning away a contributor who has made real contributions, and send the
>> signal his work doesn’t matter or fit in with the project plans.
>>
>> This is totally the wrong message to send. Further others might
interpret
>> such an act as a “we don’t care about anyone’s contributions” which is
not
>> the culture we have cultivated since origination of the project. We have
>> built a culture of “you build it, we will accept it once it passes
review”.
>> We want to hold on to that – it’s a really good thing for Kolla. There
have
>> been rumblings in this thread and on irc of the expanding support matrix
and
>> our (lack) of dealing with it appropriately. I think there are other
ways
>> to solve that problem without a policy hammer.
>>
>> I added the fedora work originally along with others who have since
moved on
>> to other projects. I personally have been unsuccessful at maintaining
it,
>> because of the change to DNF (And PTL is a 100% time commitment without a
>> whole lot of time for implementation work). That said Fedora moves too
fast
>> for me personally to commit to maintenance there – so my vote there
remains
>> unchanged.
>>
>> Regards
>> -steve
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/20/16, 2:34 AM, "Paul Bourke" <paul.bou...@oracle.com> wrote:
>>
>> If it's the case Benedict or noone else is interested in continuing
>> Debian, I can reverse my vote. Though it seems I'll be outvoted
anyway
>> ;)
>>
>> On 20/09/16 10:21, Swapnil Kulkarni wrote:
>> > On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Paul Bourke
<paul.bou...@oracle.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> -1 for deprecating Debian.
>> >>
>> >> As I mentioned in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369183/, Debian
>> support
>> >> was added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer as recently as June.
So
>> it's
>> >> reasonable to believe there is at least one active user of Debian.
>> >>
>> >> I would like to try get some input from him on whether he's still
>> using it
>> >> and would be interested in helping maintain by adding gates etc.
>> >>
>> >> On 19/09/16 18:44, Jeffrey Zhang wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Kolla core reviewer team,
>> >>>
>> >>> Kolla supports multiple Linux distros now, including
>> >>>
>> >>> * Ubuntu
>> >>> * CentOS
>> >>> * RHEL
>> >>> * Fedora
>> >>> * Debian
>> >>> * OracleLinux
>> >>>
>> >>> But only Ubuntu, CentOS, and OracleLinux are widely used and we
have
>> >>> robust gate to ensure the quality.
>> >>>
>> >>> For Debian, Kolla hasn't any test for it and nobody reports any
bug
>> >>> about it( i.e. nobody use Debian as base distro image). We (kolla
>> >>> team) also do not have enough resources to support so many Linux
>> >>> distros. I prefer to deprecate Debian support now.
>> >>>
>> >>> Please vote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. Kolla needs support Debian( if so, we need some guys to set up
>> the
>> >>> gate and fix all the issues ASAP in O cycle)
>> >>> 2. Kolla should deprecate Debian support
>> >>>
>> >>> Voting is open for 7 days until September 27st, 2016.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
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>> > I agree with reasoning from Paul, though Debian support was being
>> > added incrementally by Benedikt Trefzer but it has been stopped in
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