On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 07:57:37AM +0100, Mehdi Abaakouk wrote:
> I'm aware of all of that, oslo.messaging patch for the new version is
> ready since 8 months now. And we are still blocked... capping libraries,
> whatever the reason, is very annoying and just freezes people work.

And I agree with that statement.  Capping isn't the right solution.  By the
same token uncapping isn't eaither as we know we'll cause breakage.

> From the API pov python-kafka haven't break anything, the API is still
> here and documented (and deprecated). What monasca raises is performance
> issue due to how their uses the library, and on absumption on how it works
> internally. Blocking all projects for that looks not fair to me.

I understand that your blocked, but blocking the other team isn't the solution
either.
 
> As nadya said, now, we have users that that prefers using an unmerged
> patch and the new lib instead of using upstream supported
> version with the old lib. This is not an acceptable situation to me but
> that's just my thought.
> 
> Where is the solution to allow oslo.messaging works blocked since 8
> month to continue ?
> 
> So, I'm waiting for monasca team input now and hope we can move forward.

I think the solution is pretty simple. Just Fix it.  I'm not saying it's easy
but it is *simple*.  We're a group of skilled individuals We have several ways
forward which just haven't been done in the last 8 months.  Waiting doesn't seem
to be a viable course anymore.

From my POV this really feels more like a social problem then a technical one.
I'd like to remind everyone with a technical stake in this that it's OpenStack
First, Project Team Second[1].  The thing that's best for OpenStack is for the
oslo.mesaging and monasca teams to come together and find a path forward.  It's
really great that this thread has started that process!

Other people are much better placed to define the way forward, clearly fixing
python-kafka is the best option which almost certainly means joining that
community.

Worst case if we really can't find a way forward, monasca can just vendor/fork
python-kafka 0.X and we'll all admit defeat.

Yours Tony.

[1] 
http://governance.openstack.org/reference/principles.html#openstack-first-project-team-second-company-third

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