Hi,

On Tuesday 09 May 2006 18:58, jdd wrote:
> Thomas Schraitle wrote:
> > Thanks! I tried it with the documentation page of the openSUSE
> > wiki.
> >
> > But ... the problem is still the same. :-( It is just a nice
> > wrapper around the original text filled with some
> > metainformation. No semantics.
>
> what I said is that "xml" is nor the problem nor the
> solution. nowaday anybody do xml.
> however xml is a very good thing as langage is :-)

Ok, I see your point. However to make it clearer: XML becomes only 
useful, if the *contents* in your document are also marked up 
reasonably. 
We have an XSLT stylesheet that prints out all links. With another 
script it checks if these links are still accessible. So it's a kind 
of "qualitfy check". It would be not possible, if we (as writers) 
don't markup it accordingly.
And this is the crucial point: XML is (only?) useful, if you 
investigate some time in your markup. To write documents in XML can 
be sometimes awkward for unexperienced users. But if you get used to 
it it is pretty easy. ;)


> [...]
> on the contrary it's easy to go from any docbook/novbook/
> structured form to html. The result will certainly lose part
> of the markup though.

Yes, that's the nature of this approach. :)


> anyway, all this is _text_ and scripts can be made like
> sgmltools and linuxdoc to have some kind of compatibility.

Yes, it is text but without /meaningful/ semantics. It is nearly 
impossible to convert some plain text into some meaningful DocBook 
XML document automatically. (Ok, with some fancy regex hackery you 
*could* try to find URLs in your text and convert them to ulinks. But 
the problem still persists.)


> The truth is that we badly need a wysiwyg xml editor. there
> are some, but none really satisfactory (neither emacs), so
> write one should be really a good thing, even for a single dtd

Look at [1]. There are lots of good XML editors -- either commercial 
or free.


Tom

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[1] http://wiki.docbook.org/topic/DocBookAuthoringTools

-- 
Thomas Schraitle

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