Hans-Peter Jansen schrieb: > Am Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 12:29 schrieb Carl-Daniel Hailfinger: > >>Peter Czanik schrieb: >> >>>But if we get back to stone age and support only a smaller subset >>>of drivers, and a lot others will just go away, as the main selling >>>point: easy installation and exceptional hardware support just go >>>away. >> >>This only affects a *small* subset of ISDN and DSL cards and exactly >>one wireless chipset (atheros). I fully expect that the GPL driver > > The only wireless chipset/pci card, which handles wpa encryption - cool. > Especially, since a SuSE colleague actively recommended such cards: > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=104662#c2
Yes, the state of wireless under Linux is bad. Fortunately, a bunch of developers have pooled their efforts to get wireless support for every available chipset into mainline. I expect this project to be finished within the next 6 months. If you want WPA under Linux with GPL drivers, try the Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG chipset. Prism54.org seems to have preliminary WPA support as well. >>for the wireless chipset will soon be stable enough to be shipped >>with the media and that the ISDN case can be completely resolved with >>GPL drivers if you don't need analog modem emulation. That means the >>only with a possible support problem are the Fritz-DSL cards (I don't >>have enough information about these). >>[...] >> >>So let's summarize: >>Short-term changes: Less WLAN/ISDN/DSL cards supported out of the >>box. Long-term changes: Less DSL cards supported out of the box. > > You're expressing an attitude here that may be adequate for an > independent kernel developer, but cannot be accepted by a serious Exactly. > product manager for a product with such a wide propagation. Because I'm an independent kernel developer, it is not my task to comment on project management decisions. > This is in no way an exceptable solution for anybody owning any of these > pieces. Imagine - some companies I advised SUSE Linux - depend on a > e.g. working fax solution. Sure, 10.1 disqualifies in this discipline. So 10.1 will work perfectly for you. > I don't believe, that AVM will/is able to provide any userspace solution > for ISDN fax emulation in the 10.1 timeframe. AFAICS, there's even a > framework missing - if possible at all - which would allow this and > meet the tight timing requirement of such a task. If they don't want to provide a userspace solution, they can still ship binary only kernel modules. And the infrastructure for that is in place. Please look at the following link for details. http://www.suse.de/~agruen/KMPM/KernelModulePackagesManual-CODE10.pdf > IOW, if a customer asks me for an upgrade of his SUSE and Fritzcard!PCI > based fax solution, I have to tell him, that he has to buy an expensive > AVM B1 card and throw away the old one, what do you think they will > reply to me? It will work, see above. > Sure, disappointing customers definitely reduces the support load in > every company. Such an attitude will actively damage the reputation of > SUSE and you know - one disappointed customer has much more weight (and > will spread the word louder) than ten satisfied ones. I hope this will not damage the reputation of SUSE. I expect that you will be able to download all binary only drivers in RPM packages before 10.1 hits the shelves. So the only people disappointed will be those who don't download the drivers before installing SUSE Linux 10.1 and have no other way to obtain these drivers. Does this answer your questions? Regards, Carl-Daniel -- http://www.hailfinger.org/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
