-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Frank-Michael Fischer wrote: >> Its the "Use your own dogfood." slogan. >> Zenworks is part of Novells portfolio and not using it, or only having >> it as add-on product would look bad in the end.
And although I strongly dislike Mono and even more .NET, it does make sense. I mean, it's also to consolidate efforts. Why should SLES and NLD (I presume) use Zenworks and SUSE Linux not ? Concentrating the efforts and the manpower on one engine is beneficial to everyone, both to Novell's budget and to end-users because you don't split and duplicate efforts. Now the fact that it is based on Mono.. well... I don't care much. It's an application, that's it. As long as it works and people take care of proper integration and functioning, I don't care. The only problem I have with Mono is more or less the same as with GNOME in general: it is not stable as a platform, not by any means. Almost every single piece of OSS project out there that uses Mono cannot run on SUSE Linux 10.0 (that, arguably, is not very old) because it requires the very very latest version of Mono. Note that the same very often applies to GNOME (much less with 10.0 as it ships a very recent GNOME). That is proof to me that either the engineering is quite poor or (more likely) that Mono is still far away from being a stable platform, feature and API wise. But it also shows that Novell still has some integration work to do on its products. While the former Ximian folks keep on coding on Mono and GNOME (and the gazillions of libraries and subprojects that relate to it), that stuff is not available on Novell's own distribution. I find that rather pathetic (why would Mono or GNOME work better on Ubuntu or Fedora than on SUSE Linux ?) but well, let's hope it gets better, and I presume it will with the release of 10.1 that includes the very latest stuff of almost everything. >> There are for sure integration issues, which we will hopefully address in >> time. >> The SL 10.1 distribution will use rpm-md+ repositories I have just heard, >> so smart (?) yum (?) will work fine too for updating 10.1. (This is not >> finalized >> yet.) Yes, that's a very good feature. While yast2's own repository metadata format has proven itself to be reliable and work well for years, it is not particularely well documented (AFAIK) and exclusive to SUSE Linux (and SLES and NLD), which is definitely not a good thing. Fortunately Mauricio Teixeira has implemented yast2 repository support in smart so we do have another tool than YaST2 as a package management frontend. That is good because although YaST2's package management module is stable and quite easy to use, it sucks at a lot of things, e.g. solving dependencies and conflicts (smart is very good at that), using mirrors or managing 3rd party repositories (wtf are those locked packages ?). Hopefully the switch to the Zenworks engine will bare improvements in that area. > It doesn't really matter if Novell uses the MS .net "initiative" for own It's not the ".NET initiative", it's Mono. Forget about Mono being .NET because it isn't. Miguel can keep on trying to make everyone believe it us, it's more or less bullshit IMVHO. It's just Mono. Whether that is good or bad is a topic on its own, personally I don't care. It's a bytecode-compiled, fast and modern language (although it has a few very questionable architectural choices but well, what else would you expect from microsoft). As long as it works... And honestly, I can't be a lot worse than C or C++ for that kind of application. > software products in a mixed environment. However, if software updates > and distribution for any kind of linux product will _depend_ on mono or > any other linux implementation of .net, people like me (former MD of > Gartner Group) will help kill Novell Linux in marketplace. And very > efficiently, believe me. Wow, you've just totally disqualified yourself, both by threatening and even more by stating you've been working for that bunch of completely technically unsavvy people who are driving the IT market nuts by making utterly stupid and unfunded statements that most IT managers run after (and pay a lot of $$$ for). Mate, you're part of the hype curve. But as you said, let's not get emotional. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEEEWLr3NMWliFcXcRAjYlAKCkB218eebgag3VgiUQq1zlI0iTbgCgnPs+ odvPctdHkF8S2qUCfKC0nik= =+iEk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
