On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > On Thursday 09 March 2006 09:02, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > > On Thursday, March 09, 2006 at 14:39:38, Marcus Meissner wrote: > > > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 02:36:34PM +0100, Burkhard Carstens wrote: > > > > Am Donnerstag, 9. März 2006 14:02 schrieb Henne Vogelsang: > > > > > On Thursday, March 09, 2006 at 12:31:08, Burkhard Carstens wrote: > > > > > > Ahm, zmd.exe? ZenUpdater.exe? You are kidding, right? > > > > > > > > > > Wow. We must do a really good job if everything you have to complain > > > > > about are file suffixes ;-) > > > > > > > > not sure .. currently, yast software installation is broken (again) > > > > because libblocxx.so.4 is gone .. > > Hehe there you go. I knew it! We are not perfect. Damn! ;-) > > > > However, once, Borland decided to drop Kylix and went the .net way. > > > > That was the point, where I stopped buying Borland products. Now suse > > > > is going the .net way and guess what? I won't buy any suse product > > > > anymore .. > > Why would you do that? I understand you dont like .net. What makes you > > say that "suse is going the .net way"? Because one functionality of a > > gazillion functionalities in SUSE products is implemented in C#/mono? > Yes. Its not just one way either, I could see this becoming a trend. I'm > not > a fan of mono or .net, and not because of an NIH mentality. I don't like it > for many reasons, but one of them is the lack of a qt-sharp (yes there *was* > development on this outside the project, but it has been dropped). There are > many other reasons listed further down, but I don't like gnome/gtk, and I > would prefer to stay as far away from it as possible.
I do see this as a trend that is starting to happen. I love UNIX/Linux because it is UNIX/Linux. I hate the assosiation of extentions with being able to execute them. I do not think it is the NIH mentality. I think it is that Novell is becoming a MS wanta-be. I have always gone for Novell and UNIX/Linux because of the innovation and trends to be imaginative. MS does not invovate they beg, borrow, and destroy. The inovation is in gobling up companies/innovations and destroying them. I look at FOX Base, and other technologies. MS took what they wanted and destroyed the UNIX/Linux base. I love the freedom of choice that has always been with UNIX/Linux. I prefer the open development to closed. I really applauded Novell for is movement to Linux inside the company. I am just afraid that the innovation is going to become that of the MS mentality. > If this move is the beginning of a trend, in combination with the > evolution/mono/gnome on the corp desktop general migration to a more gnome > & .net focused distro, I will put slack or arch or some such on my systems in > a heartbeat. I can see a standard base but to force us to a mono/.net focus is wrong. It should be independent and a generic library easy to use in any of the desired formats. I am waiting to see if this will become more generic and not mono/gnome/what_ever based. To me that has been the main reason I have been with SUSE so long. This beta of the ZENUpdate and the reprocussions of this switch in what I am begining to feel as philosophy change concerns me. I want the distro based on Open Standards that are set and firm. If they change they change by standards changes. Not dependent on any one company. Like with ODF. > > > > Like Azerion also stated, "exe is related to windows/virus in my mind" > > > > and, even worse, it's related to mici-schrott, so .. > > You must have better reasons to not like something. Otherwise its a > > rather dull statement that you hate microsoft. I like that from a > > emotional perspective. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. We > > against them. Youre my brother in arms. We will overthrow the big evil. > > > > But from a rational point of view its a poor argument to base technical > > decisions on. > > Not really. having an 'exe' goes against the very nature of linux, where any > file can be executable, regardless of extension - it merely needs to be set > as such. +1 > I find, in a similar way, the use of a .exe extension as the beginnings of a > migration towards a more microsoft-style linux distro. If I wanted that, I'd > use linspire. Note that I do not use linspire. Anywhere. Exactly. > > > > Anyway, what's the point in using .net software? I must admit, that I > > > > don't know much about it, because when it popped up, it was called > > > > "microsoft.net" which convinced me that it couldn't be good .. > > The points are layed out at mono-project.com. Do you have to agree with > > them? No! Do you have to like them? No! Do you have to support them? No! > > Do you have to accept that its there and that other people agree, like, > > support mono? Yes, im sorry, you have to. Its their choice :) > Accept it? Sure. However, its kind of offensive to me to be using .net, for > patent issues, among being an MS controlled environment. For example, what > would happen if MS decides to go after mono? What if later .Net > implementations break usage on non-MS OS's? > > Anything you can code for .net can be done in C++. C++ is a portable, > standardized, and known format - .net can change without anyone's consent. > > We need to stop copying complete garbage from MS, and do original items that > are better. I'm getting sick of this "it worked for them, lets do the same!" > mentality. Linux isn't thriving because it copies functionality, it thrives > because of innovative *new* ideas. So ffs, we need to stop copying MS just > because MS did it. +2 Let Novell/SUSE be great for inovation and imagination not following MS... Thanks for reading my rant. This is a very charged topic for me! -- Boyd Gerber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047
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