On 21 mai 2013, at 23:39, Andy anditosan <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:11 AM, Koushik Kumar Nundy <[email protected]> > wrote: >> On 21 May 2013 15:54, Kostas Koudaras <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> If you are seriously thinking of a rename: >>> What about openSUSE Jedi? >> >> The problem with a pop-culture reference, is that it creates an inside >> joke, which kind of makes new entrants feel excluded. >> >>> Ok I am a Star Wars Fan but afterall, we are geeks... >> >> That might not be a very reasonable assumption in the long run. >> >>> >>> >>> 2013/5/21 Per Jessen <[email protected]>: >>>> Greg Freemyer wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Carlos Ribeiro >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Why do I need to talk with openSUSE Advocate, I did nothing wrong, >>>>>> against the law I don't need a Advocate" >>>>> >>>>> That may be a valid concern. I work with lawyers all the time, so I'm >>>>> used to the word "advocate" being used routinely. >> >> The use of "Advocate" might be controversial, as Carlos states, due to >> the associated legal implication. >> While Richard, as a native English speaker, has a very good point, as >> in we are intending to tell people that we advocate the use of >> openSUSE (distro ++) , and participation in openSUSE (project). >> >> The discomfort with evangelist is very understandable, because of the >> bad taste it leaves in the mouth for people who have encountered users >> of this label first-hand. >> >>>> I have no issue with "Advocate" (although it also means "lawyer" in my >>>> native language). To me, "Advocate" and "Ambassador" both have some >>>> connotations of being officially assigned. My favourite is "Geeko" as >>>> also proposed by Carlos. >> >> "Geeko", with it's association to openSUSE & Gecko, sonds like a >> reasonable choice. However, it says nothing about what the role >> entails. This might or might not be an issue. I personally wouldn't >> mind being associated with that label, but at the end of the day, it >> kind of means nothing. >> >> Advocate and Ambassador kind of mean the same thing in English for >> this use case, but Ambassador sounds kind of more approachable imho. >> While I understand most of the changes in the program, such as a new >> distribution system for DVDs/goodies, I fail to see why a name change >> would be necessary, especially when the new name has an identical >> meaning for all practical purposes. >> >> Also, I am curious why removing the vetting system was >> proposed/implemented. It was a very basic screening, and as there are >> actual costs involved in sending stuff to "Advocates", money that is >> obviously finite, this would mean we potentially have a system that >> cannot support itself. I understand that not all the Advocates will be >> sent event/DVD kits indiscriminately, but do we actually need unvetted >> labels for every person who tells others, "Use openSUSE"? The promoDVD >> request page doesn't have a requirement that anyone have an "official >> tag/post" anyway. IIRC, this wild west approach was tried in the early >> days of the Ambassador program, which resulted in an insanely long >> list of names on the wiki, with people that were never seen, or heard >> from. Isn't it exactly what we are trying to do all over again? >> >> >> >> TL;DR : Why change the name at all? Why remove vetting of list? If >> name is to be changed, "Geeko" sounds awesome, albeit irrelevant, and >> would get my vote. >> >> >> ~ kknundy >> >> P.S. Re-added marketing list. >> -- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >> To contact the owner, email: [email protected] > > I believe the use of the word "advocate" is appropriate for the new > idea of making oneself a promoter of openSUSE through the ambassador > program. I believe the "legal" implication is mostly a personal link > to the English language. In essence, the problem is not with the word > but with a personal understanding of the word. When I first heard the > word "advocate" the first thought that came to me was "good!because > ambassador does not really fit the role of promoting openSUSE." > > If you think about it the word "advocate" is a more philosophically > linked word to the idea of defense or apologetics. Most of the times, > in English, when referring to a professional who does advocacy is > "lawyer." Lawyer is the most common word used to describe those who > practice legal advocacy. > > > -- > Andy (anditosan) > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected] Bonjour What's in a name? When I am at a booth, I represent my Association (legally registered and with a Memorandum and Articles of Association) nui.fr People see me and the other members as members and representatives (représentants in French) of openSUSE. I am not sure if an accurate translation of advocate will be clear to visitors / ourselves. I believe that openSUSE Representative sounds more appropriate because it covers everything that everybody is saying. Have fun, Jimmy-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected]
